What attributes does Loma have over Usyk?

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  1. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    Both fighters are obviously very skilled. But I feel Usyk can pull off the same angles and foot work that Loma can plus more attributes such as Jab, movement, output, chin and heart. I’m curious if anyone agrees with me because it seems most here think Loma is actually more skilled than Usyk.
     
  2. drenlou

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    Probably speed.
     
  3. Brighton bomber

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    I have always thought Usyk is the more complete and versatile fighter but Loma is just flashier and from a lower weight so people tend to rate him higher P4P. Reality is most don't know what they are watching and the more pleasing aesthetic style of Loma means they don't notice his limitations such as he isn't really great from range, his unusually short reach means he's far more effective at mid and close range, but he's so great at getting into range it's rare that this limitation is seen.
     
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  4. senpai

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    Higher ring IQ


    Usyk never dominated somebody his own size like Loma did.


    Usyk never made anyone quit.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ring IQ debatable, both next level ring IQ.

    He dominated Gassiev, perhaps even shut him out.

    He made Chazz Witherspoon quit, his corner clearly asks him if he wants to continue he says no and fights over.
     
  6. Fourth_Horseman

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    The only obvious attribute that Loma has over Usyk is, losing.
     
  7. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not like Loma. sorry.

    Nope.

    Well, Usyk himself said that Loma has higher ring IQ.
     
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  8. turbotime

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    Ring IQ, speed.
     
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    I give you speed, even given the disparity in weight, Loma in his prime had a clear speed advantage over his opponents Usyk didn't. I'd even say footwork as good as Usyk is in regards to movement, Loma's was just for me a little bit better. Which I think made Loma more elusive too in my opinion.
     
  10. Brighton bomber

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    Well nobody dominates like Loma because Loma is Loma, I could say nobody dominates like Usyk which would also technically be true because Usyk is Usyk, lol.

    Yep

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    Even if he did say that, both are nice guys and would likely complement the other. How do you even really measure ring IQ there isn't a test for it. All we know for sure is Usyk has figured out every style he's come up across and won, unlike Loma who has lost to the rough house tactics of Salido and also couldn't figure out Lopez until too late in the fight. I couldn't say for sure who actually has the better ring IQ any assertion of superiority for either is pure conjecture.
     
  11. Caliboxing

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    None. Usyk is better at everything. Manages the fights better, doesn't let up when it counts, also I haven't heard much whining from him.
     
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  12. senpai

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    Just like you would measure any other thing in boxing when comparing fighters from different weight classes.
     
  13. lordlosh

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    Sorry, but not even close. There is no one that can adapt as fast as Usyk does, which is actually related to ring IQ. Usyk also always know what to do in every single fight. He never runs out of ideas. He can make changes on the get going, and control the fights always.

    Not even close in that department.

    Loma needed a lot of time to figure it out against Teofimo, same with Salido. He also f**** badly in the 12 round, against Haney. I still think Loma won the fight, but he should have been smarter in the 12th, knowing the judges will want to robbed him on every opportunity presented.

    And Usyk is humble, and Loma father was his trainer, they are friends with Loma, etc, so he can say a lot of stuffs, most of which are b.c.
    Still i'm missing that part, where he say Loma have higher IQ than him.

    As far as what Loma is better than Usyk, hmmm i think the defense department on the front foot, Loma is better. But i'm talking when Loma was in his prime, he was really like the matrix.
    Probably at angles too.
    The thing with speed is that you are always going to lose, quite a bit of it, going up in weight, so that is questionable.
    AJ is one of the fastest HW on the planet, and Usyk makes him looks slow.
     
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  14. Brighton bomber

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    So again it's basically subjective. We can't even agree on scoring on fights because of the subjectivity unless it's very clear that one fighter has won. All you can definitively say is Loma has superior ring IQ to anyone he has beaten as he won't fight anyone Usyk has fought and vice versa, it's not really possible to make an objective comparison.

    Now that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion and maybe Loma does have higher ring IQ, you just can't prove it objectively.
     
  15. turbotime

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    Lol ok bruv, do you work for Usyk or something :cool1: