Is there any set of life circumstances that would make Brian London a top 10 H2H heavyweight?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Your raw material is Brian London, British heavyweight contender of the 1960s.

    Your task is to transform Brian London into a top 10 heavyweight head to head.

    To this end, you have lots of control over London's life circumstances. You can make London grow up in any family you please. In any neighborhood you want. Any country you want. Any time in recorded history. Give him whatever biographical details necessary. If you want London to grow up with Sonny Liston's dad as his own, go for it. Think he'd do better in the Fury family? Your choice.

    You can give him any coach you want, at any age, drawn from any point in history. Want Brian London to grow up in the 90s with Chappie Blackburn guiding him since boyhood? Coming right up. Want to throw in Mackie Shilstone and his modern nutrition? Your wish, my command, yadda yadda.

    Brian gets whatever career breaks and promotional advantages (or disadvantages) you see fit. He can fight -- or avoid -- any contender you please over the course of his career. Just as long as the final product is a top 10 heavyweight in a head to head fight. Think Brian would've benefited from the experience of sparring Mickey Walker, or fighting Hasim Rahman? Bam. You got it.

    Could *ANY* combination of life circumstances from known boxing history have turned Brian London into the equal of someone like Ali, Tyson, Wlad, or Lennox?
     
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  2. McGrain

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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    We're taking him to the top, McGrain! One way or another...
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Erase 100-150 of the top heavyweights in history as if they never existed....
    Possible.
     
  5. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    If all previous lineal champs and top 20 fighters up to and after his time didn't exist.
     
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  6. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Incidentally, the Mother of a woman I worked with c.6 years ago was "friendly" with Brian London after her Father had died. Nice guy apparently.

    My answer to thread is no, unless "any change of life circumstances" stretches to him being born as Muhammed Ali.
     
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  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I already have Brian London over Lennox Lewis H2H
     
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  8. TED 822

    TED 822 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brian would have been a hell of a cruiserweight. If trained to the max.
     
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  9. Freddy Benson.

    Freddy Benson. Active Member Full Member

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    Seriously what's the point with threads like this? I don't get it. Why don't you suggest what might make him one? Why not make it interesting -what could make Ike Williams a H2H heavy, or a real challenge what circumstances would make Joe Louis a H2H flyweight?

    By all accounts a decent, humorous man -see the response to news of his passing a couple of years ago. An intelligent one too -he invested wisely and was financially secure after his career. A lot of his losses came after his best. He was a tough, physically very fit fighter who won the British and Commonwealth titles and beat some which is hell of a lot more than most did. Also lost to the best he faced, though gave a good account of himself. He was also not in the top tier -something he himself recognised. When asked about the Ali fight

    “I would have taken a gun into the ring and shot him. That was the only way I was going to beat him that night.”

    He had a respectable career and a more successful life outside of it. He was not going to be a top ten H2H heavyweight fighter.
     
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  10. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Brian legally passes a knife into every fight in the ring.

    Tops the list of No1 on my H2H list.
     
  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is born July 4, 1918 in Brooklyn to Joseph and Sarah Rogers. His father is killed by mustard gas in WWI.

    He volunteers for the Army during WWII, a scrawny and pitiable, if brave, solider. And further volunteers for a secret experiment. The intelligence community changes his name to Brian London and gives him a false UK identity to protect the secret project.

    He is injected with the super soldier serum and becomes Captain Britain and helps the Allies defeat Hitler (and the Red Skull) to win the war.

    Then his plane crashes in the Arctic and his body is frozen in an iceberg. Decades later, he is discovered and revived and begins a boxing career.

    Meet Capt. Brian London, war hero and heavyweight champion:

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    Do I win a prize?
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    To find out what, if anything, would make Brian London a top head-to-head heavyweight.

    Because I don't know.

    Yep. I like London, from everything I've heard of him.

    Considering the discrepancy between the outcomes even of identical twins like the Coopers, I don't think it's crazy to ask the question, even though I agree with you that the effort is probably doomed.
     
  13. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    He would have to murder at least a thousand heavyweights
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    By some of the things you’re describing he would be a biologically different being. The only thing that would remain the same is the name Brian London. By that logic he could have theoretically been the greatest fighter of all time.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If the entire world was decimated, and the only plot of land remaining was Great Britain ...

    I still don't think he makes the top 10.

    Lennox, Fury, Joshua, Bruno, Whyte, Akinwande, Hide, Mason, Joyce, Cooper, even Chisora probably beat him.