Josh Taylor looked AWFUL

Taylor has been Taylor. That's all.

Not his fault if a lot of people here overrated him like crazy.

He has always been what he has always been. Taylor has never had anything special. NEVER. The same way Postol doesnt have it, Kambosos doesnt have it, Ryder doesnt have it, Caterall doesnt have it....

It is only that this forum tends to hug some kind of fighter's nuts for whatever reason.

And if you say that you don't see anything special in them, they will tell you you are crazy.

Taylor will receive crazy beatings in WW, top guys in WW are going to punch the **** out of him once and again and again.... if he has the guts to face them, ofc.

 

chacal, you are entitled to your opinion and I won't try and talk you out of it but I will say this. I find it very hard to believe that a fighter who beat both Regis Prograis and Jose Carlos Ramirez was never anything special. Those men are both quality fighters and you don't beat them unless there is something special about you. Now, some fighters are special for a long time (Ali, Moore, Duran) and some get there for a fleeting moment (Donald Curry and Riddick Bowe) but they were special. I think the same goes for Josh Taylor.

 

Yep this 100%.

I've been saying he's overrated for years but as you say apparently I'm crazy. He isn't a bad fighter in fact he's very good but he was never some top P4Per.

He simply had way to many flaws for me to be thinking he was anywhere near the level of guys like Loma, Usyk, Inoue, Canelo etc.

No head movement, overly wide stance which means he's balanced but also not every mobile, stands right in front of opponents because of that and so he's there to be countered after throwing as we saw vs Catterall and Lopez. He also in general takes far too many shots, he's tall and huge at the weight but is poor on the outside which for me is always a red flag why a guy with all the physical advantages to fight from distance for some reason can't fight well at a distance and ends up fighting up close for a lot of the fight.

 

I got a lot of hate for not rating Taylor p4p.

 

You and everybody who didnt do it. It was ridiculous. Same with kambosos.

 

You can beat ramirez and prograis without being a top p4p fighter, like most of this forum said that Taylor was.
Not to talk about how he won to prograis. Because we all know he wouldnt have won this fight out of UK. Or not to talk about who prograis' best wins are: zepeda, indongo and freaking flanagan.

Same for ramirez who, apart from zepeda, has fought nobody.

Lightweight Teo would win to prograis and ramires too. No doubt. (Unless going full ****** like he did with kambosos giving the fight for free).

I wont have this discussion again. Now the truth has been exposed. That's all.

 

Where in the your P4P list do you rank Pograis and Ramirez? They are decent fighters but nothing special and wins over them shouldn't be enough to get you anywhere near the top of the P4P rankings when you look who Usyk, Canelo, Spence, Bivol etc have beaten.

Pograis is fast and has power but skill wise he's nothing special at all, prime Amir Khan and Kell Brook would beat him comfortably. He's far too static, holds his feet and relies on head movement as his main defence which is why Taylor was able to turn the fight into his type of fight with exchanges on the inside. Pograis is your typical basic speedster, relies on fast hands to get off first but doesn't counter and again that means Taylor was able to just walk him down. Pograis is as overrated as Taylor was because people see his speed and power and think that's all it takes to be an elite fighter when if you take that all away his skills are rudimentary.

 

Prograis has a good chance of stopping Khan but Brook would have pieced him up.

 

Prograis and Ramirez are getting on in years.Its time for take over or take it back etc.At his age Teo there’s only one fighter i can think that beat or fought elite competition at that age.Pac and Floyd? I mean you get fighters are protected and wont fight the best at this stage these days.He beat the biggest 140 literally in baxxing josh is a huge 140’er.Massive weight bully.Murked him.Top it off this is guy who beat Ramirez and Prograis.

 

If the rematch happened Catteral beats Taylor worse than Lopez.

Catteral looked superb in his last fight. The opponent was poor but still , the jab of Catteral destroyed him and Josh can be hit with a jab.

Teo is a good boxer but I wasn't impressed with his hitting power. His blows only made an impact when the body shots and weight cut cought up with Taylor. Gato's punches were hurting Taylor early

That rematch wouldve been a terrible fight for Taylor.

 

He was never great But yeah that was a poor performance. Two in a row Cattaral beat him too. The wars may have burned him out. He did look better a few fights ago. Too many Trainers, tough fights, or just better opponent, probably a combination but he looks to have regressed some.

 

Taylor was a very good to great fighter. If pushed, I'd put him in the 'very good' class.
A very good fighter who took advantage of the super series to eventually unify all the belts. He squeezed by anothet 'very good' fighter in Prograis. He's nowhere near the same fighter now. Trouble at the weight or some other reason.

 

Nobody gave Teo a chance to win but me and a few others, I always thought Taylor was a good fighter, not great by any means but I knew if Teo would come in 100% mentally he could beat Taylor, I just didn't think it would have been that easy. Masterful performance from Lopez. I also commend Taylor for being classy and for not making excuses, he took the loss like a champion.