Why is The Boxing Community so Nostalgic Compared to Other Sports Communities?

What are you talking about?

Fantasy fights will always obviously be debatable.

The outcome of any fight depends on how the 2 guys would have matched up on the night stylistically.

That’s nothing to do with I’m talking about.


What I’m saying is that any knowledgeable fan can appreciate that there’s greats in every era.

A knowledgeable fan knows that the sport doesn’t keep progressing in a continuous cycle like other sports have, where today’s guys are the greatest ever in all of the weight classes.

A knowledgeable fan knows that some divisions are weak, some are average and some are strong.

A knowledgeable fan who’s watched the sport for years, knows that today’s MW and SMW divisions aren’t as strong as what they’ve been years ago.

That’s what I’m talking about.


Saying that guy A would beat guy B, is not the same as saying that there’s been no clear progression in the sport for years.

A fantasy fight opinion isn’t the same as saying that they were many great fighters of the past who were superior to many of today’s guys.


Fans of all different levels of knowledge and experience will always argue/debate the outcome of a fantasy fight.

Yet no knowledgeable fan is ever going to agree that the fighters of today are superior to everyone of the past, where the sport is now the best it’s ever been across all divisions.

You are talking about two completely different things.


So yes, I stand by my statement.

If you know what you’re looking at, you know for sure that some guys of the past were better than many guys of today, and that not everyone today is superior to everyone of the past.

I don’t know any knowledgeable guy that would disagree with that.

 

1st, you compared boxing

Ask this question in another 40 years. Then you'll see where you stand on the old timers.

 

It isn’t a mental comment.

Go back to your original comment, which was based upon Reg’s reply to Bandeedo.


Yes, PEDS are obviously beneficial.

Fighters recover quicker so they can train again sooner, where they can spend more hours in the gym honing their craft.

That is what you’re saying.

Yes, I agree with you.


However, a fighter’s style and skills are formed when they are young, based upon their strengths. Based upon their attributes and their influences. From their trainers. From certain fighters they may have tried to mimic. From the area and the gym that they grew up in etc. It all depends on their circumstances.

Ricky Hatton was never going to be Pernell Whittaker.


In Bandeedo’s opinion, the best technical fighters were more prevalent in the 80’s and 90’s, more than any other era that we’ve seen. But it can’t have been just because PEDS were rife at the time. Because although they can aid a fighter, no amount of PEDS are going to give you the technical skills of Mike McCallum, James Toney and Michael Nunn etc.

Those technical skills are based upon their upbringing and their trainers etc, as I’ve just mentioned.


So the point is: That peak where we saw an abundance of great technical fighters can’t just have been due to PEDS being in the sport.


PEDS have always been rife. PEDS are rife today. And they’re much more sophisticated that they were back then. Yet in many of today’s divisions, the fighters aren’t as great as what they were back then.

There’s whole divisions today that are weaker than what they were in the 80’s and 90’s. Especially between JMW-SMW.

 

Yet you think that it would have been a foregone conclusion that any modern guy would beat a guy of the past.

Why?

Because you have seen the progression in other sports.


You don’t take into account styles etc.

So take your own advice.


Come and reply to my initial response to you.

It was an objective post where I’ve answered and asked you some questions.

 

And this is the exact reason why you are branded a troll.

We start having a decent debate, and then you have one of your episodes.

 

Styles, Einstein.

 

Name ANY fighter that Spence has fought that even compares to Hagler.

I’ll wait.

 

Floyd Mayweather struggled against Marcos Maidana, yet you believe that Floyd would have beaten Hearns, Leonard and Robinson.

 

You ALWAYS favour the modern fighter in fantasy match ups.

And when you are asked to back up your opinion, you think of Usain Bolt etc, instead of the stylistic match ups.


Why would you even think about starting a debate, if you have no intention of debating with anyone?

People have responded to your thread, yet you won’t even do them the courtesy of replying.


You are a fool.

You don’t even deserve us debating with you.


You are either a troll, or a completely ignorant casual fan.

 

I notice the idea that "peds don't create a huge difference" is being put out there. In my eyes, boxing is a matchup of inches & angles, with fractions of an inch often being the difference between victory or getting viciously KO'd. The minute, subtle movements that are so hard to see, are often the only dividing factor in a closely-contested fight.

Peds certainly allow for more efficient gym time and taking them can result in a sharper fighter. It is impossible to say that they don't give a fighter some kind of edge.

Look at a fighter I love, the great Evander Holyfield. From what I know of these things (which is very little), Evander worked like a madman in the gym, maximizing the potential effect. I suppose there are many others who use peds, but they either aren't dedicated enough in training, or they just don't have the talent to rise to the top.

Anyway, I tend to favor the fighters from bygone eras, simply because they were much better than the fighters fighting today, on average. I've been watching boxing for 50 years and I've never seen such mediocrity in my life. I must say that I have about as an agenda-less point of view as possible, except when it comes to hometown fighters, who I support without fail regardless of who they're fighting .

It's not the fighters fault, I put all the blame on the "organizations"