Joe Louis vs Derek Chisora (yes really)

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    Some dude on reddit said that Louis would get beat by Fury, Usyk and Wilder because of modern nutrition and sports evolution. He said that Louis would 'probably' able to beat Chisora.

    So, what's gonna happen? Can modern nutrition save Derek Chisora?
     
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    Get off reddit- poison.
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Not enough lettuce in the world to save Chisora from Louis accurate combination punching
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    No. Dereck Chisora does NOT beat Joe Louis. And I doubt he loses to those other guys either but even if he did he’s still a MUCH better fighter.
     
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    Of course they have the right to their opinion - even if they’re talking out of their ass. :D
     
  6. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Louis wins. If the topic is set because of Chisora's size and weight; he would pass the same as Carnera and Mas Baer. Or the same as against Haye, if we're going to look at Chisora's lighter contemporaries.
    I would even say David Haye Vs. Joe Louis was more interesting.
     
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Louis by KO
     
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    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Louis by murder...
     
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  9. janitor

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    I think we all know the deal with Chisora.

    He is brave, and can make anybody look bad, but he loses to the best.
     
  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Let's see, a ferocious boxer-puncher who seamlessly blended power with speed, had incredible accuracy, some of the most polished technique in the division's history, could thow 4, 5, 6+ combinations, had incredible balance and weight shifting and was a superb finisher when he had his guy hurt.

    Vs

    A courageous, durable, pressure fighter who was often plodding, clumsy, slow, chunky, had very mediocre power, low ring IQ, mediocre technique, terrible defense, and was as wide open as a hooker's legs in the hotel room of a US senator.

    Chisora would have a somewhat competitive 1st round exchanging with Louis and getting a few kicks in. Round 2 Chisora has his moments but the difference in skill and speed become very apparent. He'd have a black eye in the 3rd. He'd be breathing out of his mouth from exhaustion in the 6th from all the punishment to the body, nose, temple and other vulnerable areas. By the 9th, Louis is basically enjoying target practice making Chisora's head bounce around like a ping pong ball as sweat flies into the first row and Chisora sinks to the canvas bewildered by the sheer volume of sharp stinging combinations to his jaw. The ref stops it despite Chisora protesting to save face while resembling the victim of a downtown mugging. The fight may resemble the Frazier vs Chuvalo and Haye vs Chisora bouts.
     
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    Prime Joe Louis going life and death with a morbidly obese Italian brawler who makes Andy Ruiz seem disciplined, billed at 5'9, with a shorter reach than some of the recent top super-bantamweights (I'm not exaggerating).

    Usyk (who Louis wouldn't entertain fighting because he's a southpaw) and Vitali are far better than Louis H2H and they found Chisora a handful. I'd take Chisora to swarm all over Louis and bomb him out. At his best Chisora was a top 10 heavyweight. I don't think there's any sport where the best guy in 1940 was measured as being objectively better than say the 10th best guy in 2020.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics
     
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    I don't think the fact that it's 1940 vs. 2020 matters much personally, in fact athletes from the 40s would only benefit from modern technology. When comparing eras, it's important to acknowledge the fact that past eras didn't have access to what modern athletes have.

    Jesse Owens had to run on a track that is only used for horseracing nowadays, that's how poor his conditions were. With modern conditions, he would excel
     
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    Also what has Vitali done to prove he's better H2H than Louis? Tony Galento scoring a knockdown before proceeding to get clapped the very next round isn't the equivalent of going 'life and death'. Vitali has beaten nobody to deserve being called a better H2H fighter, he literally went life and death with a 90 year old Lewis and lost
     
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    Yeah the likes of Ezzard Charles and Sugar Ray Robinson would be slaughtered by the likes of Crawford, Bivlo and co. Pep and Armstrong would marvel at the skills of guys like Luis Alberto Lopez.
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    You somehow managed to be ridiculous with nearly every single sentence in your post.

    Neither Chisora nor Galento would win any athletic records so I fail to see how that's relevant. A fighter being ranked in 2023 doesn't automatically mean they're going to far outstrip a ranked fighter from decades ago. In some cases it's even easier to get a ranking or a title shot nowadays.

    As for the fight, Chisora brings absolutely nothing to the table that would bother Louis. Nothing. He would be a glorified punching bag.

    Usyk was still developing as a HW when he fought Chisora. Current Usyk boxes circles around him as evidenced by his dismantling of Joshua. Vitali won by a landslide victory 119-111 beating up Chisora mostly with just his right arm (the left arm had a torn ligament). Your attempts to hype up Chisora based on losses are hilarious.
     
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