Tyson Fury doesn't care about legacy, but he would be champion in any era...

No it's called wanting to see him fight someone else rather than Wilder, Chisora, 100 times.

 

Did Whyte qualify to someone else?

 

Yeah and then he fought Chisora for 3rd time and has done nothing since apart from creating media circus instead of getting in the ring and proving himself against the best.

 

Crazy timeline we're living in where the HW champion of the world fought someone like Chisora 3x. I sometimes forget that actually happened and wasn't a prank.

 

A force of nature in the manner of a big noisy wind? A crappy smelling mudslide? A semi-active volcano that belches big clouds of hot gas but goes quiet the moment Usyk sails by on his catamaran?

 

"Should have a loss on his record to John McDermott."

It was a 50-50 war and the 21 year old 7 fight prospect got the nod over the veteran. Other fighters (Lewis, Joshua) were getting KO'd in the amateurs at the same age.

"a total unknown in Wallin"

Unknown ≠ bad fighter. Historical HW's in actual weak/limited eras didn't have any 6'5, 240 lbs southpaws around to fight and they would have avoided them like the plague if they did.

"Dropped hard by Cunningham"

And Fury got up and won the fight, stopping Cunningham for the only time in his 40 fight career. This also made Fury easier to underestimate and gave him good experience, which benefitted him down the line vs Wlad and Wilder.

"Dropped multiple times by Michael Grant 2.0"

People who understand boxing have said that Wilder is the scariest heavyweight of all time (Byrd), the best puncher they've ever been in with, including Lewis and Wlad (McCline) and that Wilder was one of the top 2 talents of the post-Klitschko era (Emmanuel Steward). Many other such quotes. Grant on the other hand got stopped in 43 seconds by McCline, KO'd in 7 by Guinn and schooled by Adamek. No heavyweight in history would be favoured to fight Wilder away from home three times without a single loss, such as fighters who went 2-2 with 24-5 crackhead McCall and greenhorn Rahman, or 1-3 with Puritty, Sanders and Brewster.

 

He needs almost double figure filler wins, as most of his wins as is are worse than filler.

 

so you justify him not facing live bodies? He didn't face Whyte until he'd been knocked silly by Joshua years before and totally unconscious by a 41 year old recently.

 

60-40 in McDoughnut's favour. Fury's age or experience is irrelevant. Blame his handlers for putting him in with a guy he wasn't ready for if you like, but it doesn't excuse his loss.

Doesn't equal great either. No one expected Wallin to be anything other than Tom Schwart mk II. That's what I believe "Had way more trouble than he should have" means in the above post.

Yes he did, but does that erase the fact that he was dropped hard by Cunningham? A career CW not known for his punching power? No, it doesn't.

The other being Joshua I presume, Frank Bruno 2.0. Who was the better fighter during their time, Grant or Bruno? Easy question to answer.

 

"60-40 in McDoughnut's favour"

Eyeonthering have Fury winning, as do Boxrec. The scoring/officiating is a matter of opinion and novice Fury got the decision. And taking a tough against a British level veteran so early gave an overconfident Fury good experience, enabling him to dominate a favoured Chisora less than two years later.

"No one expected Wallin to be anything other than Tom Schwart mk II"

Exactly. That's what Fury expected too, Wallin turned out to be far better and Fury won wide anyway. Many other champions lose on their bad nights. How many southpaws did pre-Klitschko heavyweight champions fight? Holyfield was the only one who fought a few good ones and he went 1-3.

"A career CW not known for his punching power?"

This was the logic that people often used to say that GOAT punching KO artists Wlad and Wilder would beat Fury but they went 0-3-1 with home/A-side advantage. The KD's benefitted Fury down the line due to the underestimation and experience.

210 lbs 2x cruiser titlist who stopped Huck, throwing a wild haymaker on a squared up opponent, can score KD's against most heavies. Ali and Holmes were dropped by men who were no bigger than modern LHW's.

"The other being Joshua I presume"

Not quite.

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We'll see who is better if/when Wilder and Joshua fight. I'm sure you'll be picking Joshua to beat Wilder, like Helenius before him.

 

Joshua Whyte fight had nothing to do with Fury you not so smart person time lines have nothing to do with each other. Point is for certain crowd everyone is bums and past their prime old men after they get beat

 

anything you say. fact remains Fury has never beaten a proven fighter in his prime.

 

Really...Whyte? All-time great win? I hope you're messing.

 

Yeah i was being sarcastic

 

You nailed it dead-on: Fury is indeed absolutely perfect for this era!