Canelo vs Badou Jack is OFF!

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  1. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    …righhhhhhhhtttt
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How can we prove if what Jack said it true? Who was the mediator between negotiations? Something like this could have easily been lost in translation. Canelo may have said something like I can't go higher than 180 lbs, and Jack may have interpreted that as meaning they wanted Jack to come to 180 himself. They may have explored a rehydration clause as opposed to a catchweight, and Jack is acting like that was all part of a demand. For you to blindly accept what Jack is saying is incredibly gullible. People will believe anything anyone says against Canelo simply due being a hater. This is proof of that. It is absurd to believe that Canelo would only fight him at 180 with a rehydration clause. Surely there were numerous attempts to come to an agreement. Jack is making it sound like it would be perfectly fair for Canelo to fight him at 200 lol. Look I'm totally against catchweights for title fights, but this is a massive weight disparity. If a catchweight or rehydration clause ever made sense for a title fight, this would be it. Anyone reasonable fan would have to expect a weight compromise to be a part of it.
     
  3. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So hunger strikes are now part of a Clenelo contract for the opponent?
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    According to some. But you know better, you know better than to take Badou Jack at face value. He's exaggerating and pandering to the Canelo haters.
     
  5. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Career vs career it’s not close
     
  6. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    It's a reasonable offer tbh, I'm not sure why people are complaining. For one, Jack is a career Super Middleweight and weighed 177 pounds vs Dervin Colina 2 years ago, he only started fighting around the Cruiserweight limit in his last 3 fights. The man is nearly 40 years old, wtf is he going to do now, the whole point of prize fighting is getting legacy or big money fights and fighting Canelo presents both. He has absolutely nothing to lose, if he loses to Canelo it wouldn't effect his standing since he's lost multiple times to lesser competition, but a win over Canelo enhances his legacy and bank account.
     
  7. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    So what is the truth? Don't come on here saying people are gullible without stating what you claim is truth.
     
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  8. Kishnabe

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    Badou Jack would earn a lot from the Canelo fight. Why would he lie about this, it not like he has a zero to protect. He on his last legs, way past his prime.
     
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  9. Perc

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    Canelo “quack quack” Alvares did it again, don’t mention Benavides for sure he is going to quack like a duck who is afraid of his life
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They probably talked about weight, a rehydration clause and attempts to reach an agreement. It was always a long shot in my mind, but for Jack to come out and say Canelo wanted 180 and a rehydration clause, that sounds like an exaggeration. Like he's just pandering. There's no way to prove or disprove it, but it does show that people will believe anything anyone says about Canelo if it casts him in a negative way.
     
  11. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Jack has always been a respectable dude. I don't see why he would ruin his biggest payday against a much smaller man that a winning blue print has already be written and proven by Bivol. Easy money.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm not comparing career vs career.
     
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  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know if he's lying about it or if he's embellishing the demands Canelo was making. He probably heard Canelo say the highest Canelo can weigh is 180, he probably interpreted that to mean he has to weigh 180 as in a 180 catchweight. They probably talked about the possibility of a rehydration clause, they probably talked about all kinds of ideas, through an arbiter and a lot of stuff probably got misinterpreted due to the language barrier. It was always going to be a long shot and a difficult negotiation, which is why I was not a fan of the idea of fighting Jack.

    He makes it sound like Canelo was making unreasonable demands when they were just discussing weight and if a compromise could be reached. It's also unclear what weight Jack could make safely or what he would be willing to agree to. As DirtyDan said, he's a career SMW and was weighing in at 177 two years ago. I'd imagine he could probably get down to 190 lbs safely, maybe even lower. I'm not suggesting Jack should agree to anything like that. I'm not a fan of catchweights in title fights, I've made that very clear, at the same time, the WBC was talking about reducing the Cruiserweight limit to 190 lbs. Cruiserweight was originally 190 lbs and Jack is a small cruiserweight.

    I find the whole thing humorous, because against Bivol, tons of posters on here thought that Canelo was trying to weight drain Bivol, would only fight him at a catchweight, or with a rehydration clause, that he would never fight him at 175. Canelo made it very clear that he wanted to fight Bivol at 175 so there would be no excuses. And he wants the rematch at 175. But now Bivol wants to drain himself to 168 to compete for Canelo's titles. And now Canelo's haters are saying Canelo is afraid of fighting Bivol at 168.

    Now, with that in mind, with Canelo wanting to fight Bivol at Bivol's best weight, because he doesn't want excuses, does it make sense that he would want to bring Jack down to an unreasonable weight? For cruiserweight, a weight that originally had 190 as its limit, a weight that the WBC has been talking about reducing its limit to 190, I don't think 190 lbs would be unreasonable for Jack. Now 180 may have been tossed around, but I highly doubt Canelo was giving him some kind of ultimatum of 180. They were probably exploring if they could come to a compromise. Canelo says what weight he can make, Jack says what weight he could make, etc. Jack's clearly pandering when he says Canelo should fight Benavidez, for him to say that suggests that he's trying to appeal to Canelo haters and making exaggerated claims to rile up anyone who doesn't like Canelo, and to make it seem like it was impossible for him to agree to the fight due to unreasonable demands.
     
  14. vargasfan1985

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    Now it makes sense lol
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even if what Jack said was true, its not respectable to go on twitter and claim Canelo wanted 180 and a reyhdration clause, it's not respectable to pander and tell Canelo who he should fight next. That's not respectable at all. If Jack was a respectable dude, he should have just said something classy like "the weight difference is too great, but thanks for reaching out Canelo and trying to make the fight. Good luck in your next fight." Something like that is respectable, but to make it sound like Canelo was trying to undercut him then tell him who he should fight next is not respectable.