Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston primes

Good then.

The evolution doesn't need to be huge. And some of the guys Louis faced were stiffs, it might not even be related to theera, anything is possible, but the point remains that Louis only looks so good due to them being so bad. It would be incredibly hard for him to land thesame combination punching on someone who can move well.

Cause I was thinking about H2H scenarios. If we had a time machine and move Froch through time to say the first decades of the 1900s, he'd most likely obliterate everyone in his weight class.

I didn't cite him as an example of how boxing evolved, I cited him as being more skilled than what Louis faced.
Overall, Liston's opposition was better. Why and how they were better or they evolved as you would put it......I have no ****ing clue.

 

Ezzard Charles fought Louis, crossed over into his era. Of course he also beat Archie Moore every time out.

Where exactly would you say Cleveland Williams was "way more skilled" than Ezzard Charles??

Should be easy as it sounds like there's a mighty big gap between the era's.

 

Louis by ko, way better boxer but Liston has a chance

 

You did, you cited Moore as an example in our discussion about your position that boxing had evolved from Louis's time to Liston's, to such a monumental extent that the best boxers in the world in the former were "stiffs" in relation to the latter.

You also cited Bivins as one of the guys Moore was "way better than". Bivins beat Moore when both were prime. Moore was 31 and a veteran of 87 fights, so can't be credibly be described as green. Moore did later beat a past prime Bivins.

Frankly, your knowledge doesn't justify the conviction with which you post your opinions.

I find myself in complete agreement with the last 5 words of your post.

 

I never said he was way more skilled.
I said Louis only looks impressive cause he faced many stiffs. I never implied Charles was amongst them.

 

We’re gonna let that one slide.

 

Charles crossed over into Joe's era well and truly. As a matter of fact Joe defended his title about 16 times from the year Charles turned pro......before facing Charles.

Bivins and Charles started their career a couple of months apart. Surely Charles gets lumped in with this group.

Moore started boxing half a decade before Bivins. They literally fought 5 times. Bivins did manage to win one.

Charles fits.

Louis faced Charles.

Well the numerous quotes above make it awfully hard for you to omit Ezzard Charles in your blanket statements.

 

Liston fought men comparable to Louis but Louis never faced anyone like Liston. Louis has a chance but would have to follow a precise game plan and give his greatest performance ever.

 

3 bums. Amateur level skills. Only Max had some athletic ability and he was a chicken. Admitted he was scare stiff vs Louis so imagine vs the fearsome Liston.
Liston would KO those guys on same nite in under 6 rounds total. Have you looked at film of them recently? You might be surprised how bad these guys were compared to top fighters 60s on.

 

If Louis can outhustle the big bear,he could win,idk how he deals with those long,crushing combinations,but I'm sure Louis could always found a way to adapt,in at least 1 round, that's...if he survives.

 

Does anyone really think Liston was invulnerable to Louis's power? Does anyone believe Louis wouldn't land power shots on Liston? Which man would fear the other the most? Which fighter was the more honest and dependable and which was more likely to quit? The answers to all of these questions favor the great Joe Louis.

 

Liston fought no one who was like Louis, i don't know where you got that from. Only Zora Foley had some similarities to Louis but he was never that durable, hard hitting or as athletically gifted as Louis and couldn't retreat effectively.
Louis on average fought bigger and harder hitting men. If we also take all the fights these two were knocked out in, Louis lasted far longer while being hit.
Liston has a slim 7 lbs weight advantage, 4 inches in reach and a questionable power advantage.
Louis has basically everything else (stamina, speed, footwork, skillset).
Louis also showed better defense against jabs, using more precise head movement to slip and counter straight punches.
I think Liston's reliability on the jab is going to give Louis windows to counter, and with his superior hand speed and combinations he should wear Liston down for a knockout in rounds 7-10.