Canelo vs Badou Jack is OFF!

Yeah once again you are being completely clueless about Training, fighting, how weight works, and how age works.

There is a reason why most fighters can't make certain weights and move on with age.
And Badou is pushing 40 years old.

I won't explain to you once again basic thing. You are embarrassing only yourself.
And yeah it shows who the clown is by people responds and the one that get laughed is not me.

 

He is absolutely clueless about basic things. He has no idea how human body works.
And he is saying 2 years is not much time, which just shows you that he doesn't even have basic understanding of how things work.

Also Briedis is 6ft1, Opetaia is 6ft2, and Makabu was 6ft0, which Badou took the titles from.

He is absolutely clueless.

 

Canelo doesn't want to fight Bivol and get revenge at Super Middleweight but is complaining about Jack...

 

Let's not forget he wanted to fight Usyk at HW and Hearn claiming that Canelo believe he would have beaten him.
But after Bivol gave him a lesson Canelo want to be sure to gets all the advantages he could get and handicap his opponents as much as he can. Now instead of fighting his mandatory DB, he will fight a 2 yeara inactive guy....
This is what i hate in Boxing.

 

Into hiding? My stance is that 190 lbs is acceptable for Cruiserweight, but 180 isn't. because 1) 190 was the original Cruiserweight limit before it was increased to 200, which many fans didn't agree with 2) the WBC announced 3 years ago of their intent to reduce the limt back to 190 lbs 3) Jack is a small Cruiserweight and could probably easily make 190 lbs. Jack weighs in the upper 190s in the same way that Canelo weighed in at 174.4 for Bivol. Jack making 190 should not be too difficult for him, it would be similar to what Canelo had to do after fighting Bivol, to weigh near 175 for LHW then weigh below 168 for SMW.

I can't think of a better matchup for the WBC to reduce its Cruiserweight limit back to 190. But, let me be very clear : a 180 catchweight, or anything below 190, is not reasonable to ask out of Jack. I am against catchweights for title fights in general and the only reason why I would support a 190 lb agreement here is because I support the WBC's intention to bring the Cruiserweight limit back down to 190 lbs as it was originally.

 

Less than 2 years ago, Jack said he'd fight Canelo at 175.

But 2 years later, Jack won't fight him at 180?? Canelo is showing that Jack agreed to a weight 5 lbs below 180 less than 2 years ago. Now granted, I still don't like a 180 lbs catchweight. Canelo should allow Jack to have a considerable weight advantage, since he's the Champ and Canelo is the challenger. And Canelo shouldn't bulk up, he should come in in the 170s, and Jack should be allowed to weigh-in up to 190 lbs and they can have a Traditional Cruiserweight Title match. That's what is acceptable to me, but 180 is not unreasonable to ASK out of Jack considering what Jack offered 2 years ago. That doesn't mean he's demanding 180, that doesn't mean he's "trying to drain him". Given that Jack offered to fight him at 175 two years ago, it's not unreasonable to have 180 as a starting point of negotiations. And Jack has every right to not agree to that. The question is would Jack agree to 190 lbs and is the WBC still trying to lower its limit back to 190.

 

This must be one of the dumbest most desperate lines of logic I have ever heard to defend someone. Blaming the guy being asked to fight 20lbs under his limit because he fought at that limit 2 years ago. Christ literal rock apes.

 

Mayweather used the same logic to try and justify the 152 catchweight vs Canelo. Only in that case, Canelo never offered to fight Mayweather at a specific weight, but merely expressed a general desire to fight Mayweather when asked about fight him. In this case, Jack offered to fight him at 175 two years ago. What that means is that he should be capable of fighting near that. So for Canelo's side to reference the weight of previous offer is not unreasonable. If Jack says, no I can't make 175 anymore, then you find out what Jack is willing to agree to. I personally do not like catchweights or in this case any weight below 190 lbs, and the only reason why I like 190 is because it was the original Cruiserweight limit and the WBC expressed a desire to return the limit to that. If Jack could make 175 two years ago, if he offered to fight Canelo there, then 190 should be very easy for Jack to make and he would have a tremendous weight advantage. Jack could probably make something between 180 - 190, but anything in that range is unreasonable, due to his age, and the fact that he's Champ, he shouldn't agree to 180 or anything below 190. Surely Jack could make 190 easily and that would be the perfect matchup for the WBC to make that the official limit.

 

That was a 1.5lb catch weight below Canelos weight in his previous fight with Cotto only 3 months earlier. You are comparing that to 20lbs two years ago? Are you trolling?

 

Not quite. Mayweather fought Cotto the previous year at the full 154. Then decided he needed a catchweight to defend against Canelo, after already winning the title at that weight class at the full limit. Even more absurdly, it was Floyd's 2nd time capture a 154 lb title, he beat DLH 6 years earlier at 154. The catchweight wasn't 1.5 lbs, it was 2 lb. Not only was it a 2 lb catchweight, but that 2 lbs was a result of a long negotiation between Mayweather and Canelo that started with Mayweather starting at lower weights. He started at 147, Canelo said no, then Floyd said 150, Canelo said no. Canelo finally gave in to 152 as his absoulute lowest weight he thought he could make. So, it ended up being 2 lbs, but Floyd's weight requests started much lower. The situation with Jack is similar in that he was able to make 175 2 years ago, not only that but he offered to fight Canelo there. In the last 2 years he got much bigger. The question is how much bigger. Now we all agree that 180 is too low, but 190 for example is more reasonable, and happens to be the original Cruiserweight limit.

 

Canelo weighed in 1.5 lb lighter vs Floyd than he did 5 months earlier vs Trout, that is not comparable to 20lbs and 2 years no matter how many word salads you right. You are delusional. Not sure why you reference 190 when that is not what Canelo accepted?

 

The difference betwen WW and LMW is 7 lbs. The difference between SMW and Cruiserweight is 32 lbs.

Mayweather was a 2-time Defending LMW Champ, having won both titles already at the 154-lb limit. Canelo has never fought at Cruiserweight.

Canelo never offered to fight Mayweather at any specific weight, he indicated he was open to a catchweight in an interview 2 years before they fought, which was before Mayweather moved up to fight Cotto at 154 Cotto, and he had already fought there and won a title at 154 vs DLH 4 years earlier. Mayweather as 2-time 154-lb Champ tried to impose a catchweight at the weight class he was already champion in, against not a challenger, but an already established world champion in what was to be a Unification match, by starting at 147, then 150, then 152 until Canelo would agree. That's much worse, on many levels, having already been 2x champ, was defending his title, against a world champion in the same weight class, etc.

Jack, on the other hand, offered to fight Canelo at 175 two years ago. Jack put on weight after that, but how much weight? Floyd barely put on any weight when he moved up from fighting at WW to LMW. FMJ came in at 151 vs Cotto. With Jack we're talking a 15-25 lbs difference from just 2 years ago. That's a massive weight increase, compared to Floyd moving from fighting at WW to LMW.

I'm bringing up 190 lbs because that's the original Cruiserweight limit and the limit that the WBC was trying to return the limit to. Jack may not agree to 180, but he may agree to 190. Perhaps the fight can still be made at 190 and the WBC can do what they were intending to do, return to the original weight limit of Cruiserweight.

 

Educate these nuts

 

Now that Canelo has "responded" we understand what happened. There was a reason why weight was being discussed. It was because 2 years ago, Jack offered Canelo a fight at 175. Were you aware of that previous offer by Jack?

That's important context for what happened here. If there was a previous offer on the table, it would not be unreasonable to explore that offer as the starting point for these negotiations. It's not like Canelo just randomly started pushing for a catchweight. it was because he was under the impression that Jack is very able to make 175 lbs, or was 2 years ago based on their previous negotiations. That doesn't mean he was insisting on 175 or 180, as Jack made it seem, or tried to get him to agree to that out of the blue. There was history between the two discussing a fight around that weight, and if Jack offered to fight him at 175 2 years ago, while that doesn't mean he should have to honor that agreement 2 years later, that previous offer does explain why that weight was being discussed.

I knew that there was more to the story that we weren't aware of. I knew that the story that the Canelo haters were trying to paint wasn't accurate. There would be a language barrier here which could be a factor here, there's no way to prove that it isn't, especially if Eddy Reynoso was the one negotiationg with Jack's team or through PBC. He doesn't speak English. Asking about the previous offer of 175 lbs and having a discussion about a "higher" weight of 180 lbs than what Jack already agreed to 2 years ago could easily be interpreted as making unreasonable demands if we didn't know about the previous offer.

Now we know that Jack had already offered Canelo a fight at 175 lbs two years ago, so now we know why that weight would have been a starting point in negotiations. Combined with the language barrier, and Jack trying to spin everything to make Canelo look bad, my instinct was that i wasn't buying what Jack was saying. I knew there was more to it than what he was leading the public to believe. It would be a different story if Canelo or his team out of the blue tried to drain a natural Cruiserweight who could barely make 200 lbs or something. But that's not the case with Jack, and now we know that's not what happened here. We know Jack is not a natural Cruiserweight, and we now know that he already made it known 2 years ago that he would fight Canelo at 175, so with that knowledge, we know Jack probably wouldn't be drained at 180. If he could safely make 175 two years ago, then it's not unreasonable for Canelo's team to think he could make 180 safely, or at least ask about it. It's not as if Canelo or Eddy was being unreasonable to inquire about the previous offer, or to find out what weight Jack can make safely.

That said, I've tried to make it very clear that I'm not at all supportive of Canelo or his team trying to force Jack to make 180 lbs, if that's in fact what happened. I didn't claim Jack was lying, I suspected he was exaggerating or not telling the full story, which he clearly wasn't.

If Jack would have said "Canelo tried to get me to agree to 180, but I did offer him a fight at 175 two years ago" then the public would have had a very different reaction to that tweet.

By making it seem like Canelo was the bad guy here trying to be unreasonable to the "old man" (calling himself an old man to gain more sympathy) suggests that Jack is not acting in good faith. To not mention that he already agreed to 175 two years ago, to call himself an old man, to then say Canelo should fight Benavidez, he's clearly pandering trying to appeal to the Canelo haters trying to paint Canelo as a weight drainer. If Jack himself offered to fight Canelo at 175 two years ago, then it's not unreasonable to ask about a weight above that. That doesn't mean I like catchweights or think Jack should agree to 180 or a rehydration clause. I don't agree with that, but now we know the full story which we weren't getting before. 175 was on the table, which explains why weights like 180 was being discussed. If Jack chose not to agree to 180, then I have no issue with that. He shouldn't have to, but he took it one step further by essentially blaming Canelo for the fight not happening. Fact is, he could probably make that weight safely. He shouldn't have to, but don't make it seem like that request came out of nowhere. It was based on the previous offer of 175 and trying to come to an agreement.

 

The demands are not shameless when you understand the full context and the fact that Jack had already offered Canelo a fight at 175 two years ago. You didn't have that information. I wasn't aware of that either, but not we know that there was a previous offer of 175, which explains why weights like 180 were being discussed.

I didn't say Jack was lying, I said he was exaggerating and not telling the full story. He was spinning what happened to cast Canelo in a negative light, as a shameful negotiator, without explaining the previous offer that he made to Canelo two years ago for a fight at 175, which makes all the difference.

This tweet proves that Jack had already offered him a fight at 175, which explains why Canelo or his team was seeing if he would accept a catchweight near there. If he could make 175 two years ago, then could he make 180 now? Has Jack truly put on 10 lbs per year, or are his higher weigh-in weights simply a result of him not cutting weight anymore and just weighing in at his walking around weight?

Anotherwords, can he still make 180 lbs safely? He probably can, but I made it very clear that I don't think he should have to. And he's justified to not agree to it. And I'll be honest, as a Canelo fan I don't agree with trying to force Jack to make 180 or impose a rehydration clause. I don't agree with any of that. I would be very critical of that if there wasn't a previous offer of 175 and if it wasn't Cruiserweight. I explained that my reasoning is that Cruiserweight has a large weight gap in it, and the original limit was 190 lbs.

At least now we know the reason for why 180 or a rehydration clause was being discussed. It was because they were under the impression that he could possibly make 175, or something near that, from the previous offer.

I also want to point out some other claims you've made about me, two of which are bold faced lies, the other is something of an exaggeration :

FALSE. Never did I claim Canelo was robbed against Bivol.

FALSE I never argued Canelo should have won. In fact i repeatedly stated that 5 rounds are the maximum amount of rounds that could reasonably be scored for him.

This part is partially true, I was proven correct that shoulder shots can be scored, while other know it alls were saying I was wrong and that they couldn't, only to have to shamefully walk that back.

The only round I specifically argued that Canelo "arguably" won due to Bicep bombs was Round 1. You're trying to suggest here that I was arguing that Canelo won enough rounds to win the fight all by shoulder or arm shots.

I'm calling you out on this BS just to show others how dishonest and exaggerative you are. So when you try to make future accusations against me we know you've been caught lying and being dishonest, so no one will take you seriously moving forward.