Explain the adoration of Rocky Marciano to me

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Louis and Walcott always talked glowingly of Marciano and he did help them after he retired. He would always recommend them for the ex Hw champ meet and greets he couldn’t attend. There were numerous reports of multiple ex champs being upset. U actually made a post Nov 2017 about it! Y pretend not to know about it now? And the first thing I said he was no saint…not sure where u r going on this but it’s well documented he was kind to ex boxers
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I made a post 6 years ago ,and now I am pretending I didn't make it?
    Nobody is suggesting they were happy about Rocky's death.
    Louis kissed the coffin.
    Just show me any report in which it states they cried?
    It precisely this sort of hyperbole that gets posters backs up.
     
  3. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    if he hadn't got arrested he would have more than likely gone 0-1 against a 500lb Japanese bomb
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Different things to different folk ... a cultural icon, an Italian American icon, a white fighter in an age when white dominance of the sports scene in the US as a whole was ending based on integration, a fighters fighter , an underdog style and size wise ... like many cultural icons, he struck different cords with different people ... sure some romanticize him but no one can say he didn't leave it all in the ring or that he didn't get out at the right time .. it's to his credit, period.
     
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  5. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    yeah was reading about his plane crash earlier, conspiracy that it was set up, something about him being a loan shark to a loan shark for around $800,000 that's definitely enough money that someone connected would just kill the person instead of paying them back, it was probably a scam from the beginning Marciano got played
     
  6. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good points. My personal opinion is that in another time and place he very likely would not have been undefeated, but he still would have been incredibly elite. But in his time and place, he WAS undefeated and that must be acknowledged. That’s why he is No. 5 on my heavyweight ATG list over people who I believe would have beaten him H2H. (I have stipulated that who would win H2H is not the sole criteria for my rankings.)
     
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  7. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had hoped we would not get into Rocky’s personal foibles. I’m aware of the stuff in Stanton’s book and he doesn’t come across glowingly as a human being in Everett Skehan’s book either. (Saying knee jerk that such stuff is akin to “fake news” gets into the “adoration” of my thread title.)

    The roster of true saints in boxing is rather small …
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Not sure he was even around for an entire era. His stay in the sport was remarkably abbreviated.

    It is what it is, as the Elders say. If nothing else, he had a genius for timing.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Jesus only walked on water, because he couldn't swim.
     
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  10. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah it was bad weather. They never should have taken off. Rocky’s initial flight was canceled due to weather but found a private pilot dumb enough to chance it if I recall.
     
  11. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    hopefully it was something more along those lines, like maybe the majority of money he had "out there" was for Walcott's restaurant and to whatever capacity he helped Louis, if Walcott's restaurant had to be built that would explain the large amount, and anything mob related was just a byproduct like with construction/union contracts, and Marciano knew they would get the job done
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    5 pages and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious: that some short guys are inspired by Rocky's success despite his size.
     
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  13. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    I have never read any of Mike Stanton's books, so I have no idea about how truthful they are. They may very well be accurate in their facts. I Have read recaps of some of his books, and I am not interested in reading them. I cannot take credit for calling him a Muckraker. Mike Stanton calls himself A Muckraker, as do some others. I pointed out that he is very good at it, evidently not just with Rocky Marciano.

    I said he was often considered the underdog by many, based on people I have known, who lived through his career. I have never researched the Las Vegas or Bookie betting odds on all of his fights, but I imagine he won a few where he was the betting underdog. I did know someone, who said he made a bundle on the Joe Louis fight, and a few others, and I have no reason to doubt what he said.
     
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Loosely file under crowd pleasing style.
     
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  15. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    John A. Gotti was a made man and his mother was matrilineally Jewish but Senior felt the rules didn't apply to him.