Could Joe Louis beat Mike Tyson?

Well the point is he got clipped by punches he didn't see coming or came at him quickly and those are the punches that have the most effect. Thats clearly an important point as not all knockdowns are the same. Conn was lightning fast and he landed a very quick combination which wobbled Louis who had clearly underestimated him. Jack Dempsey got wobbled by Georges Carpentier, does that mean he doesn't have a good chin? Schmeling was a better puncher than Ruddock - more accurate and more powerful, you can't compare grainy, partially degraded celluloid to pristine color footage, the footage often doesn't do the older fighters much justice as you don't see things as they would've appeared in reality.
Tyson also didn't have the heart or the character that Louis had, if he was getting outclassed he stopped trying to win, all his losses are by submission. As soon as Louis put that seed of doubt in him, it would be game over.
There's a video comparison of Tyson and Schmeling which proves that he hit with similar power and speed.

 

Schmeling wasn't a harder puncher than Ruddock. Also, Carpentier was a much harder puncher than Conn. He KO'd much more durable fighters like Battling Levinsky.

Also, I never claimed Louis had a bad chin. I'm just saying that Tyson had a better one

 

I disagree. Tyson hardly got hit until the Douglas fight and pretty much lost every competitive fight he had after that (with the exception of the Ruddock fights and one or two others), he never really had to rally or pull victory out of the jaws of defeat so I don't know you can say he was more 'durable'- the fights he lost were the ones where he got hit often and he never had a knockout after the 7th round. All of Tyson's losses are by stoppage. Tyson had 58 fights and Louis had 69 (if you include all the fights he boxed in the war, he probably has triple digits) and Louis was still good when he finally paid the piper. I don't really see where your 'better chin' argument comes from your only point seems to be 'Razor Ruddock'.

 

If we're talking about heart, then there's no doubt that Louis has more of it.

My better chin argument is Razor Ruddock because Ruddock was a murderous puncher that Tyson consistently ate punches from for two fights, and IMO was a harder puncher than anyone Louis faced (Baer technically hit harder but was injured in that fight). Another example of Tyson eating punches from a relatively hard puncher is from Lennox Lewis. I don't know what 'pulling victory from the jaws of defeat' has to do with your chin or durability. That has to do with your heart.

 

Why don't we call fighters "Battling" today like Battling Deontay Wilder?

 

Louis didn't have the chin to withstand Mike for long. He'd be destroyed very, very early.

 

Little fat guys with pot bellies knocked him on his arse. Billy Conn, a light fisted super-middleweight (by today's standards), had him hurt.

I think Louis had a glass chin and Tyson KO's him very quickly.

 

man vs child, those ww2 era American military guys were a vastly different breed, even Cus thought Louis could whoop his boy

look at how Louis immediately upped the pace and finished Galento in quick order after Galento knocked him down, Tyson pretty much only had one layer, one pace, there were most likely layers of Louis we never got to see because no one he fought brought it out of him, he would turn it up just a little bit and they were done

 

Yes he could.

But I would favour Tyson to stop Louis in the first five.

If it's still happening after the seventh, I favour Louis.

And if it goes past twelve, I'd favour Louis by KO.

 

Razor Ruddock was a murderous puncher against bums, he couldn't even put away a washed Tommy Morrison. Bonecrusher Smith was the best fighter he knocked out. Louis took punches from both the Baer brothers who hit very hard and Max Schmeling who was a vicious counter-puncher. Buddy Baer has a 93% knockout-win ratio and 30 first round knockouts which is higher than Mike Tyson, George Foreman and even Jack Dempsey - he probably has the most 1st round ko's in heavyweight history and was included in the list of all time greatest punchers, he knocked Louis out of the ring and hit him with many punches throughout the fight and he was definitely a harder puncher than Razor Ruddock. Louis ate punches from Marciano (a harder hitter than Lewis) at the age of 37 and still gave him trouble in the fight, he had to be knocked clean out and didn't quit like Tyson did. Louis definitely had the better chin. 'Pulling a victory out of the jaws of defeat' has everything to do with your chin, it means you can take a beating and bounce back - a fighters 'heart' is obviously connected which how much punishment/discomfort he can withstand it isn't purely a mental thing, what kind of logic is that?

 

Thanks for giving me my daily dose of laughter.

 

Bro, stop embarrassing yourself.
Marciano a bigger puncher than Lewis

 

Louis doesn't even last 30 seconds against Tyson.

 

Lewis hits harder I guess because of his size right? You are clearly blind. There is no comparison in terms of knockout power between the two of them, how many times did Lewis knockout anybody's teeth or send his opponents to hospital? How many guys with great chins did he even knockout? You don't know ****.

 

Go look on YouTube don't just take my word for it.