Who Is The Best Fighter That "Comeback Foreman '', Could Have Possibly Beat?

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    The solid majority score that fight for Stewart as did the official judges. You also somehow find a way to score for Briggs. One things certain, whenever you're watching Foreman one eye shuts and the other squints.

    Your sweeping negative appraisal of Holyfield just goes to show the blind bias you have against Foreman. Hell, when news of possible cases against Foreman came up you threw them up and had him guilty for those too. Whenever his name comes up, no matter in what fashion, you go all crosseyed and brittle and out flies the excrement.
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    A draw is more than fair, even if the majority have it for Stewart.

    I didn’t negatively appraise Holyfield. He knew how to get W’s even if made opponents look good by opting to eat flush punches.

    Yes, I believe Foreman is guilty of **** and it’s because he has three women accusing him of the exact same set of behaviors, with the third not even connected to the first two. He also settled out of court with a woman for something similar 40ish years ago and it got swept under the carpet. Guilt is the logical assumption there.

    But let’s keep this on track. He’d have a good chance against Marciano and I say this as a nonbeliever of mythical, one night “91 Foreman.”
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    I meant Stewart of course. Your hatred is so strong it's contagious :lol:
     
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  4. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As is the Win fair for Foreman. Especially, since it happens to be the official result.


    You could at least own the **** that you spew.


    Fortunately, guilty verdicts are not arrived at through barely tabloid-level story-telling.


    Very little you have to comment on, re Foreman, is "on track".
     
  5. janitor

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    I don't often find myself agreeing with you, but on this occasion I must.
     
  6. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah hes right Holyfield rarely used all of his skills. To be honest he only fought a perfect fight a couple times in his career. Bowe 2; Tyson 1 and Maybe Lewis 2.
    In every other relevant fight he would mess up and get caught or unnecessarily trade or languish on the inside and let the other guy unload on him.
    Like George Foreman said "Holyfield loves to taste your power"
     
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  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So any boxers' performance against Holyfield needs to be significantly downgraded because they were made to look significantly better than they actually were? To the extent that he made "made Bert Cooper look like Joe Frazier, Dokes look like an ATG, Vaughn Bean look formidable, Holmes look 36, and Moorer look like a tier 1 90s heavyweight instead of a Frank Bruno tier heavyweight"?

    I wonder what that says about Bowe, Tyson, and Lewis.
     
  8. Mark Anthony

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    LOL! First career Foreman was a master at setting up KO`s and far quicker, older Foreman would have lost a lot more rounds to older Foreman`s opposition, Chuvalo would have beaten older Foreman.
     
  9. Mark Anthony

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    Tyson was pretty bad v Holy and would always look human at heavyweight because he was only 5`10.
     
  10. Dynamicpuncher

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    I think Holyfield had a great performance vs Moorer the 2nd time, he also boxed a smart fight vs Stewart the 2nd time although it was a boring fight.
     
  11. Dynamicpuncher

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    I think some of this is out of context aswell, yes Holyfield got caught by Cooper in the 3rd round just like Holmes did vs Snipes in 7th round of their fight. But for the most part he battered Cooper from pillar to post.

    Dokes comeback refreshed in the late 80s and in some ways looked better, Holyfield was also still a tad green at Heavyweight. And it was good test for him against former World Champion who was rated top 5 Heavyweight at that time.

    Bean was a spoiler and very durable he was only stopped once by Vitali in 11 rounds when he past his best, the fight against Holyfield was a boring one but Holyfield was never in danger of losing. Plus Bean came close to beating Moorer only losing by SD so he wasn't that bad.

    Holmes was coming off beating Mercer and had regained his mojo in 1992 after coming off 3 straight losses in 88. Holmes also came within a whisker of beating McCall after losing to Holyfield who was fresh off upsetting Lennox Lewis.

    Holyfield had health issues and looked lackluster vs Moorer which we are all aware of.
     
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  12. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree on the stewart renatch, but its mot a "significant fight", he boxed well vs mercer as well. I disagree on moorer 2. He was being outboxed and then just stopped moorer with brute force because moorer had no punch resistance.
    He looked very off in that fight as well
     
  13. Man_Machine

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    Alas, the source of this viewpoint is a broad-brush attempt at de-valuing Foreman's effort against Holyfield. You could apply the same sweeping approach to just about any top class fighter.

    Sometimes, people conveniently ignore background context and forget that tactical decisions do not always have the desired effect or fail altogether at the highest level of the sport.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    Really ? i thought Holyfield looked pretty sharp vs Moorer he had him on the floor like a dozen times didn't he ? yeah he didn't box vs Moorer but his combinations looked sharp. I remember one knockdown he knocked Moorer half way across the ring, against a Southpaw like Moorer the best option was to make him back up and over power him instead of trying to box with him. I think that's why Holyfield employed that tactic rather than trying to fight a technical fight vs him.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Now give the excuse(s) for Foreman looking limited against Stewart during the same period.