Could Joe Louis beat Mike Tyson?

Yes I can, I know I exagerrated, but I was trying to make a point.

 

Your opinions are so extreme-& you never moderate them-that nobody can TELL if you are exaggerating!
You sure it was this, not backing off when you realized just how excessive your claims were?

By the way, I edited my post right after you responded, see the updates please!

 

Just know that as in with the edits, I am teasing & not trying to be mean.
But we really cannot tell that you see Louis was great-& not just for his time.
It's possible someone not much over 200 lbs. at their peak would not dominate or win a title against modern SHWs-that still is dramatically different from not being able to be a contender now or since the 1970's.

Would you at least acknowledge that Louis could be a great CW like Holyfield & Usyk were?

 

For anyone who thinks Louis would be too small for the 70s and onwards.
Louis and Frazier:

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Louis and Foreman:
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Joe and Ali:
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It's not so much his size, but more his age, that would concern me

 

does louis get a full training camp in the mid 80s? If so he probably shows up a ripped at 220 like pinklon thomas and trevor berbick which makes it much more interesting.

 

Lol. This forum is full of dipsh*ts who think that size is all it takes to be a great heavyweight. Good luck to y'all.

 

Joe Louis hit a Buddy Baer (a 6ft7, 260 pound man) so hard he did a 360 degree pirouette, he hit Tony Galento so hard he picked him off his feet, he hit Paulino Uzcudun so hard he drove his two front teeth through his upper lip, he hit Schmeling so hard (in the rematch) that he fractured his vertebrae. Who did Tyson ever do that to?

Jersey Joe Walcott, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Arturo Godoy, Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Tommy Farr, Jim Braddock, Jack Sharkey, Primo Carnera, Bob Pastor and Paulino Uzcudun are not 'weak opposition', especially compared to the guys Tyson fought.

Look we all have our favourites but if you're going to debate about one fighter being better than another then you need to have facts to back them up and actually explain your points instead of just making blanket statements.

 

Jack Dempsey was 60 lbs lighter than Jess Willard and he destroyed him, Joe Louis was much lighter than Abe Simon, Buddy Baer and Primo Carnera and he destroyed them - those guys were bigger and (and probably better) than anyone Tyson fought in his prime. Heavyweight is the highest weight limit so your point is stupid and there are many fighters who moved up weight classes and beat guys bigger than them: Guys like Sam Langford and Mickey Walker and Harry Greb. Being over a certain weight doesn't make you a better fighter, if it did then Nikolai Valuev would be the greatest fighter that ever lived.

 

That's the funniest sh*t I've ever read. Good one.

 

Louis was only like 15 pounds less than Tyson. Both of them have overcome much worse size disadvantages, why is this relevant to the matchup? They're both giant killers

 

Another grand statement with no rational explanation. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously mate?

 

Agreed.

The physical advantages either way, are basically non consequential advantages, in fantasy match ups.

Louis is not going to win, based in a modest but helpful range advantage.

Tyson is not going to win based on a few pounds weight advantage.

If he was going to, then I could send in a couple of family members.

This comes down to styles, and it comes down to styles very quickly!

 

I wouldn’t call any of the three of them ‘glorified cans’…limited fighters in some ways,yes, but definitely not cans. And yes Tyson struggled with Tillis’ movement and…in this particular fight…durability. He made Tyson look human.

Smith’s holding and grappling gave Tyson problems, yes. He was unable to get into any kind of rhythm and could hardly find his range throughout.. But Smith was one of Tyson’s more passive opponents, only showing a brief moment of aggression in the last few seconds of the fight. A comprehensive victory for Tyson in the end against an opponent who was simply there to survive.

And as for Mitch Green. If you sayTyson had problems with him, I think you mean he struggled to KO him because apart from that, Tyson dominated Green throughout. He neither hurt Tyson nor made it very competitive. Yes he was still standing at the bell, but apart from that, he didn’t do too much else. He tried to fight at times though in between holding and clinching, unlike Smith, and showed great durability, but unlike Tillis, he never looked as though had any chance of victory in this fight.

Louis himself, despite his numbing KO power didn’t stop everyone he met, especially pre prime…as Tyson was against Tillis and Green…there were a few who saw the final bell. But I and many, many other people wouldn’t pick on any of them to highlight his flaws. He even got outboxed and ultimately KO’d by Max Schmelling before he (Louis) hit his championship winning stride. Louis was the favourite in that fight too, but most boxing fans don’t hold that against him…not too much anyway. And to Louis’ credit he tore Max apart in one round when they met again a couple of years later.

Anyway having said all that, believe it or not, I rate Louis extremely highly. His record in his prime is absolutely phenomenal…I don’t think a prime Louis ever lost! The man’s KO power was legendary. His handspeed seems somewhat underestimated by some and he was extremely strong. He would be a champion or at the very least a contender in whatever era he was in.

 

All these guys suck, they were just big but not skilled, nowhere near as skilled as the guys Tyson fought.
Replace them with someone big and skilled (like Lewis) and that changes the outcome completely.