Jimmy Slattery has a decent shot at beating Joe Louis

Melankomas · Jun 25, 2023

Greg Price99 said: ↑

Haha, I have no desire to cause you pain Mel. I like you as a poster. As a % of threads started, I probably post on a higher proportion of yours/Nosferatu threads than any other posters. It's good to have someone bring balance to this subsection of the site by starting discussions about boxing from such long ago eras.

That said, a relatively high proportion of your threads are some variation on Louis vs a smaller elusive boxer, with you citing Conn 1 as an indicator Louis may struggle.

Have you watched Louis vs Conn 1? I'm guessing so, as you've clearly watched a lot of film of old fights and reference it often.

The reason I ask is that "elusive" isn't the first word I think of when I watch Conn in that fight. Granted he wasn't static, stood in front of Louis, but he didn't run, he didnt prioritise elusiveness. If anything Conn swarmed Louis at times, crowded him, denied him the time and space to throw his devastating combinations. He was forever moving, but often in range, up close, punching, clinching, anything to stop Louis getting set.

Conn shipped some punishment, too. He may have been a natural LHW, but most LHWs wouldn't have withstood the punishment he took.

In short, Conn fought Louis in their 1st fight nothing like Slattery fought, either in the clip in your OP or from contemporary reports. Slattery most certainly did not have the chin to replicate Conn's performance, either.
Click to expand...

Don't worry Greg I was joking, your opinions are some of the most knowledgable on the forum.

The problem with fully evaluating the Conn fight is that we can't, as we don't have footage of the full fight. There are rounds missing, and I actually heard somewhere that those were Conn's most successful rounds. The descriptions I've seen from said rounds (I forgot the precise rounds missing, but I believe it was 6-10. Correct me if I'm wrong) and the description of said rounds said that Conn's lateral movement and footwork were the main reason why he was winning those rounds. Even in the footage we have, Conn's speed and movement appear to be like a puzzle that Joe can't solve.

The reasons you cite are valid as to why Louis would beat Slattery, but I still believe that Slats stands a decent chance. Perhaps it's time for me to start taking my meds after all!

Greg Price99 · Jun 25, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

Don't worry Greg I was joking, your opinions are some of the most knowledgable on the forum.

The problem with fully evaluating the Conn fight is that we can't, as we don't have footage of the full fight. There are rounds missing, and I actually heard somewhere that those were Conn's most successful rounds. The descriptions I've seen from said rounds (I forgot the precise rounds missing, but I believe it was 6-10. Correct me if I'm wrong) and the description of said rounds said that Conn's lateral movement and footwork were the main reason why he was winning those rounds. Even in the footage we have, Conn's speed and movement appear to be like a puzzle that Joe can't solve.

The reasons you cite are valid as to why Louis would beat Slattery, but I still believe that Slats stands a decent chance. Perhaps it's time for me to start taking my meds after all!
Click to expand...

No worries Mel. Tbf, you have lived up to the promise you made in the 1st paragraph of this thread.

Melankomas · Jun 25, 2023

McGrain said: ↑

Louis won that fight 8-2, 6-3, 8-1. He was never hurt, but he did Louis zero harm. I don't know what form this trouble took?

This content is protected

Click to expand...

Just because Louis wasn't hurt doesn't mean Pastor did pose some problems. He managed to win arguably 3 rounds against a prime Joe Louis, and Louis seemed like he was trying to knock Pastor out. I don't agree with the notion that some make that he just allowed Pastor to survive, he was trying to land some but found it difficult due to Pastor's constant movement. If this troubled him, I think Slattery also would and on a more competitive level.

McGrain · Jun 25, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

Just because Louis wasn't hurt doesn't mean Pastor did pose some problems. He managed to win arguably 3 rounds against a prime Joe Louis, and Louis seemed like he was trying to knock Pastor out. I don't agree with the notion that some make that he just allowed Pastor to survive, he was trying to land some but found it difficult due to Pastor's constant movement. If this troubled him, I think Slattery also would and on a more competitive level.
Click to expand...

I don't see any actual evidence for it myself, but you never know.

Shay Sonya · Jun 25, 2023

Welcome back!

No, just no. James J. Braddock stopped Jimmy Stattery in 9 rounds. I can just imagine what Joe Louis would have done to him. Good grief!

janitor · Jun 25, 2023

I think the smart money would be on Louis to catch up with Slattery eventually, or for Slattery to find a way to screw up regardless.

However, you are right to identify Slattery as a box of tricks, and perhaps somebody who should inspire more interest than he does today.

Nosferatu · Jun 27, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

I have returned from my ban
Click to expand...

Aged as well as Bob Fitzsimmons' hairline

cross_trainer · Jun 27, 2023

Nosferatu said: ↑

Aged as well as Bob Fitzsimmons' hairline
Click to expand...

What happened? I keep trying to get to his profile and read his old posts, but the periods where he comes back seem to be measured in the lifespans of mayflies.

Pugguy · Jun 27, 2023

Banned? Anybody know why?

I also like Mel as a poster.

KasimirKid · Jun 27, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

I have returned from my ban to overrate Jimmy Slattery.

Slats has the style, athleticism, speed and power to trouble the Brown Bomber, despite being inconsistent. A peak Slattery has all the tools Billy Conn had (albeit a lesser chin) that troubled Joe, and was arguably more powerful as well.

This content is protected

Now, we obviously still have to mention Slattery's knockout losses. He did manage to lose to Dave Shade (although there were reports saying Slattery was intoxicated during the fight, which we can't prove or disprove), Paul Berlenbach and Braddock. These cannot be ignored in a fantasy fight with Louis.

However, Louis' faults cannot be ignored as well. His slow, shuffling foot movement is effective but it's still just that; slow. Louis often struggles against evasive fighters, even when he outweighs them heavily. Judging from the film, Slattery is much quicker than Conn, Walcott or Bob Pastor. I can definitely see Slattery dancing circles around Joe.

What would Slattery's chances be against Louis? I would personally still favour Joe, but Slats would be a live underdog and one of the most frustrating light heavyweights he could've fought. Thoughts?
Click to expand...

Well, I'll say one thing. You have a great imagination!

Melankomas · Jul 10, 2023

cross_trainer said: ↑

What happened? I keep trying to get to his profile and read his old posts, but the periods where he comes back seem to be measured in the lifespans of mayflies.
Click to expand...

I called Canadians the r word on Lounge. I'm not sure why, you'd think I'd know my own people!

mcvey · Jul 10, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

I have returned from my ban to overrate Jimmy Slattery.

Slats has the style, athleticism, speed and power to trouble the Brown Bomber, despite being inconsistent. A peak Slattery has all the tools Billy Conn had (albeit a lesser chin) that troubled Joe, and was arguably more powerful as well.

This content is protected

Now, we obviously still have to mention Slattery's knockout losses. He did manage to lose to Dave Shade (although there were reports saying Slattery was intoxicated during the fight, which we can't prove or disprove), Paul Berlenbach and Braddock. These cannot be ignored in a fantasy fight with Louis.

However, Louis' faults cannot be ignored as well. His slow, shuffling foot movement is effective but it's still just that; slow. Louis often struggles against evasive fighters, even when he outweighs them heavily. Judging from the film, Slattery is much quicker than Conn, Walcott or Bob Pastor. I can definitely see Slattery dancing circles around Joe.

What would Slattery's chances be against Louis? I would personally still favour Joe, but Slats would be a live underdog and one of the most frustrating light heavyweights he could've fought. Thoughts?
Click to expand...

I'd give him zero chance of beating Louis Berlenbach, a one dimensional hooker took him out Louis would be all over him.

cross_trainer · Jul 10, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

I called Canadians the r word on Lounge. I'm not sure why, you'd think I'd know my own people!
Click to expand...

You don't fool me. No Canadian is impolite enough to use the word "regrettable" in a disparaging manner.

Pugguy · Jul 12, 2023

Melankomas said: ↑

I called Canadians the r word on Lounge. I'm not sure why, you'd think I'd know my own people!
Click to expand...

Ah, so that’s what it was all aboot.

The “A” word is okay, right? I don’t want to invite the “B” word upon myself.

No malice intended toward our Canadian friend(s).

If you wish, free to give me the “L” word - as in “Like”.

Log in or Sign up

Jimmy Slattery has a decent shot at beating Joe Louis

Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

janitor VIP Member Full Member

Nosferatu Corbett's thong is my proudest fap banned Full Member

cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

mcvey VIP Member Full Member

cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

Log in or Sign up

Forums

Jimmy Slattery has a decent shot at beating Joe Louis

Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

janitor VIP Member Full Member

Nosferatu Corbett's thong is my proudest fap banned Full Member

cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

mcvey VIP Member Full Member

cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member