How many heavyweights could have beat Caracas Foreman?

Yeah Holmes was one of the greatest heavies of all time. I rate him the second best of my lifetime.

"Giving up,giving in-a is a good one mate!

 

Like it!

 

He manhandled bigger fighters and better boxers. He would stop George in the 10th.

 

He never once fought an opponent of Foreman's caliber and was stopped by three unranked men.

By "manhandled" you must be referring to his classless treatment of opponents as though they were the top bunk.

It's nothing short of a miracle if he makes it into round-3.

 

Is this the Foreman that was driven into the ground by Slappy Young?

He might make a decent sparring partner for Waldo.

 

I dont think it would matter much. Foreman went on to fight more and to great success after Ali. He wouldn't do the same after Wlad.

 

Of course - Young - seemingly the best version of Foreman his detractors can perceive - every time! It's uncanny.

At least Young was top-5 rated.

Where were Puritty, Sanders and Brewster in the ratings when they paneled Wlad?

Sure, Foreman went on to achieve success, Post-Ali, but how many of his subsequent performance/s unquestionably surpass those he put on against Norton and Frazier?

More to the point, how many performances did Wlad put on to match anything Foreman did?

The answer to both questions is: None!

 

OK, you want to pull a sample of Foreman's output from one night and I want to pull a samples of Wlad's output from a decade, but you need to go outside those lopsided limits to prove a point?

Who has won this argument? It's pretty obvious.

 

Wlad couldn’t beat George’s carcass, much less Caracas George.

 

At his retirement Wlad had ruled the heavyweight division for 8% of it's MdQ existence, barely losing a round during this stretch. Total dominance the like we shall never see again. Prime Foreman would be but a footnote in that long, distinguished run.

 

What on Earth are you going on about? You do realize this is a head-to-head question; not a matter of who had the longest reign over mediocrity, don't you?

I stated that Wlad never once fought an opponent of Foreman's caliber and that he was stopped by three unranked men. I asked how many performances did Wlad put on to match anything Foreman did? These are points and a question that are relevant to a head-to-head discussion.

So, what in your samples actually addresses these points and this question? And - actually - what are your samples?

What was Wlad's magnum opus, derived from all that humdrum longevity?

Not yet it isn't. I'll let you know, if and when you actually make an argument.

 

How can you judge Foreman as a h2h monster based on a couple short fights when he never looked great going into deep rounds? He also didn't fight southpaws or guys who were bigger than him.

It's weird.

 

Literally none of this is true.

 

Based on what? Foreman was the bigger stronger man in his era and never faced any skilled shws. He's never faced anything like Wladimir a guy with skills size athleticism and massive power of his own.

How did Wladimir go 9 years undefeated with 19 title defenses?