Why Is Deontay Wilder Seen As H2H Goat Now ?

It was the least outlandish post EVER!

There will be books written and remembrance holidays celebrated to commemorate how totally normal, routine, and middle of the road that post was. Parents will name their children BeatdownzPostWasSensible Smith (or Sanchez, or O'Malley, as the case may be) in honor of how understated his point was.

 

It's easy to call someone a bum sitting on the sidelines. Fact of the matter is, nobody who steps foot in the ring, is a bum.

Your statement gets even more ridiculous when you factor in the fighter you're calling a bum was a WBC champion with ten defenses, and dropped the best heavyweight in the world today four times, and had him in serious trouble on at least 4 different occasions.

"Who has he stopped in nearly 50 fights with a solid chin?"

He's the only fighter to stop Ortiz and he did it twice. Andy Ruiz couldn't even stop a shell of Ruiz despite decking him a number of times.

"He did no better than Cunningham or McDermott"

Well considering Wilder recorded a draw against a much better version of Fury, I'd say he did much better.

"who both dropped him."
As did Wilder, against I repeat, a much better version of Fury.

 

True and way too many people will always cling on to their favourite era being “the best”, not just in boxing, it’s the same with every sport. There’s still people who think Pele was better than Messi.

 

And I'm one of them.

Just relative to the evolution of the sport though. I don't think if you'd have transported Pele from his day, by time machine, at the start of every game into Messi's era, that he'd have had anything like the success Lionel did.

Diego on the other hand....

 

Aye, if the debate is “who was better for their time”, then it’s harder to call and that’s how it should be judged (although it’s still Messi . But even in Pele’s prime, football writers would say “Di Stefano was the best ever”, When Maradona was the man, Pele was the reference point and now Messi is king, Maradona is the reference, well he was until recently…and so on.

Of all the sports I follow, it seems tennis is the only one where, finally, everyone saying “let’s not kid ourselves, these top lads would hammer Borg, McEnroe and Connors”.

And, yes, the other side of that is that any current top dog in any sport gets called the GOAT by millennials, when they’ve been at the top for a couple of years, which can be annoying and doesn’t take into account how they’ll react to a few leaner years.

Although in a lot of sports, e.g. boxing and football, “better” often means “more effective”, rather than more skilled.

 

I guess that Pele and Maradona were as far removed from the best players in the world in their respective eras as Messi was in his, even discounting Ronaldo, but it's only a semi educated guess at best.

Pele was before my time and my first footballing memories were Italia 90, by which point Diego was probably beyond his absolute apex. Plus, I was only 7 during Italia 90. By the time I had a reasonable appreciation for what I was watching, Maradona was way past his best.

Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying.

We can be more objective with Tennis than team sports like football, and even non-tournament based individual sports like boxing.

Djokovic, Nadal and Federer have won more grand slams than any other player, despite their careers overlapping, and in the case of Rafa and Roger, their primes overlapping. They're therefore objectively the 3 greatest tennis players of the open era, relative to the evolution of the sport. As well as likely the best players of all time in an absolute sense, based on, amongst other things, the eye test.

 

I took a hit of drain cleaner mixed with coke and lemon sherbert and then Wilder being a H2H Goat made sense to me.

 

Sampras would be able to compete with those guys IMO. Obviously not Nadal on clay.

 

On grass, yes, i agree. He didn't have their longevity and I'd take the best versions of all the others on clay, maybe on hard courts too, but the best version of Sampras would be my pick for H2H GOAT on grass.

 

Grass would be his best surface against these guys, i agree. He was a helluva player on hard courts as well tho and i'd kill to see how the matches would transpire. Sampras had a terrific all court game and was quite an aggressive player from the back court as well, hitting hard and looking to shorten points with his forehand as well as advances to the net.

 

I'm not a huge tennis fan either mate, but I believe the grass courts and balls of today are typically both a little slower than in Sampras's day. I could be wrong though.

 

You are both right and the bounce is also truer and more consistent than it used to be. I still think Samps would put up good matches against the boys tho. The hardest matchup for him would be The joker for me.

 

To be fair that “draw” decision was one of the worst robberies I’ve seen. No where near a draw.

That said idk how anyone can question his power. It’s top three tier but his fundamentals suck. He is the Max Baer of his time w less great wins