Will Fury only be remembered as a guy that ducked Usyk?

No, because nobody will remember Usyk without the Fury fight. So I don’t see how Fury would be remembered for not fighting somebody nobody remembers.

 

He will be remenbered like McGregor. Half sports frauds.

 

"the guy who gets ragged on in here more than any other HW?"

Clearly not. Wilder is heavily favoured to spark Joshua, who is regarded by most on here as a gutless fighter in the ring.

 

Ok, NOW that's true about AJ after his Ruiz loss and defeats by Usyk, but wouldn't he have been the favorite 5-7 years ago had they fought when a lot younger and in their prime?

 

Usyk will be remembered when he enters the International Boxing Hall of Fame, based on his CW victories alone.

 

You're moving the goalposts. Back in the day Wilder was considered a Seth Mitchell type by most of the forum, even some who weren't idiots. New evidence came in and they radically changed their views. At this point, Joshua is held in much lower regard. And this is a Wilder who has taken two savage beatings from Fury.

Quotes about Wilder from prominent trainers, sparring partners and champions

“There’s one kid in America that no one speaks of and that’s Deontay Wilder. He was on the Olympic team, big kid, and I have had the fortune of training with him. He is a big kid, he’s bigger than Wladimir too. But he’s got good speed and power and I think the best talent is still going to be Tyson (Fury) and Deontay Wilder.” - Emmanuel Steward, 2012

“Wilder is the hardest puncher I’ve ever been in with (including Lewis and Wlad).” - Jameel McCline, 2013

“We had good sparring sessions. Wilder is a very hard and strong fighter. I can’t say that there is a big difference (between Wlad’s power and Wilder’s power) but I think that Wilder’s punches are harder. Wilder is the hardest worker I've been in with. In addition he has dangerous angles to his attacks that are difficult to understand. If Klitschko has a classic technique, then Wilder is very unusual and his attacks are very difficult to defend against. If you look from the outside, the movements seem clumsy, but in the ring they work in a very efficient manner." - Murat Gassiev, 2016

“Who would you rather fight: Joshua or Wilder?”

“Oh, man, that’s easy – Anthony Joshua. For my style, he would have been my choice.”

“Deontay Wilder is the scariest heavyweight ever. Not the best ever, the scariest ever. I’d rather fight Mike Tyson than Deontay Wilder, easy. It’s the style matchup, the kid is super long.” - Chris Byrd, 2018

“It would be a dangerous fight for Joshua. I’m not saying he wouldn’t win it but Wilder has something. Due to his weight, he is extremely fast. He has good power in his hands and he’s extremely fast. Maybe he’s kind of wild in his technique but those punches are coming from who knows where. He is hard to defend against: where is that punch going to land and which side is it coming from? Joshua has all-around more capability but Wilder is taller than Joshua and is faster than Joshua. He doesn’t have the weight behind his punches but he is extremely fast, and it would depend upon what kind of mood both fighters were in.” - W. Klitschko, 2018

“A lot of people say Deontay can’t box, that he’s sloppy. Don’t get it twisted, he can box. He hasn’t had to box, because once that right hand lands, you’re out.” - Steve Cunningham, 2018

“Wilder knocks him (Joshua) out cold, bad. Joshua could box for 5 or 6 rounds and that one punch knocks him out.” - Robert Garcia, 2019

“Wilder is the greatest heavyweight puncher I’ve ever seen.” - Teddy Atlas, 2019

“One thing also no-one really mentions is Deontay Wilder’s punch resistance. He can take a shot. I was giving him some digs; I’ve buzzed him a bit and he’s been back wanting more. Not only is it a good chin, his recovery power is great, most people you hit them with one shot their legs go a little bit and they’re not quite the same. He’s straight back on it.” - David Haye, 2020

“He (Ruiz) doesn’t want to face Wilder, he’ll be flat on his back and be hurt. He’ll be sleeping.” - Abel Sanchez, 2021

“Joshua against Wilder? Definitely Wilder. Wilder’s got that thing in him where he wants to hurt you and I’ve seen it every time he throws that right hand, he’s trying to damage you with that right hand. He throws it with intention.” - Lennox Lewis, 2022

 

"A-side" Usyk is giving Dubois nearly double his highest pay day...
Usyk's team doesn't need to pay Dubois more than that, and I'm sure Dubois is very happy.

Heck, Wilder would have been happy with $2m as champion during the majority of his title run.

Let's get this right:

You fight "A-side" Canelo and you know you will make more money than you ever have before.

You fight "A-side" Joshua and the same thing applies.

Whereas, "A-side" Fury is asking everyone to give him the pay day and say thank you for the low ball offers. lol

Fury is a duck

 

Hey up Finkel my man, please see above.

Not a single offer to Fury from Usyk this year, not one.

Fury is whatever you want him to be buddy, I dont give a **** because its funny. As long as Usyk beats Dubois (if they even fight), the unification is happening anyway.
IMO t'was greed that killed it this year, and Usyk is now a proven greedy little man too (good for him, I'd do the same).

And yeah, 30% IS still waaaay more than the 6m Usyk is "said" to earn for Dubois. That was the PURSE BID, you know, the open market where any and all promotors can bid for what both fighters are worth overall (with all those belts on the line too!, bit embarrasing really, maybe I was wrong and 25% is an even fairer offer after all).

It is what it is. You say Duck, I say Mallard. Its quackers .

 

Beating old Wlad by a pubic hair.
Recovery after getting knocked out by Wilder.
Ducking Usyk, AJ, and anyone else who is dangerous.

 

Yeah he will go down as the biggest Duck in History, no doubt about that.

And Actually this:

 

You don't get kudos for choosing to have the life style of a bum.

 

Cheers, I read what you put, but also remember things a bit differently. Specifically, watching Frank and Krassyuk on TalkSport on about the rematch splits. It was something along the lines of Team Usyk wanted winner gets 70-30 in the rematch if agreeing to 70-30 on the first fight, but Frank on behalf of Fury was not accepting that and wanted 50-50 even if Fury lost. Which is funny, you are right. Usyk would have hypothetically beaten, Joshua twice, and then Fury, would be undisputed at Cruiserweight and Heavy, and Fury thinks he would still be entitled to 50%. lol

I kind of agree on the greed thing too (but there are limits) - I was fully behind the idea of Fury signing with ESPN rather than fighting Wilder in an immediate rematch. As he needed to establish himself in the US with a US network so he wouldn't get screwed on the cards again (turns out he didn't need them). Unfortunately, it's just a fact that every top fighter needs that level of backing these days. Fortunately, Usyk has just signed with Skills Challenge (Saudis) last month. So, I'm sure those offers from Team Usyk will arrive soon enough once his mandatories are dealt with as you say. But as I said before, no need to overpay Dubois, he's already getting double his biggest pay day. So, I guess it also means that A-side Usyk has officially arrived. Probably why Fury has gone cold on the idea of Saudi mega-fights whilst Joshua, Wilder, and Usyk all seem keen.

 

So you think Usyk is earning more than 6m? Or is he being purposfully underpayed too?? Small hole in your logic mate. It was an open market where anyone could bid. And Usyks total value, along with Dubois and all those shiny belts is $8,057,000.
Thats literally the be-all and end-all. Not my thoughts, not my opinion, thats just what it is.

$8,057,000, with Dubois, the WBA, WBO, IBF & Ring.

Some A-side that mate.

 

Explain us then, why your hero keep moving the goal posts in the so call Wembley fight?
Also explain us in what world, 70-30 in the first fight, which was agreed, and a 80-20 if Fury wins and 50-50 if he loses is a fair split to even a f**** mandatory?

And here is the deal bud, Usyk agreed to the 70-30 and 80-20 if Fury was to win, but wanted 70-30 if he was to win the first fight, which was perfectly fair request.

And how exactly was there not an offer, where the Abdullah confirmed that Fury ducked the fight early in the year, outpricing himself and wanting more than the entire pot ????
Fury wanted 120m., which was said by his personal cheerleader Gareth A. Davies.

Saudi offer was 60m., and Fury ducked his biggest split to date.
Oleksandr Usyk accepted the offer straight away.
So how exactly Fury didn't duck the fight ?

Also i know you are Fury fangirl and loves to lies and twist the reality, but Krassyuk have said that Fury rejected every single split offer. He rejected 50-50, he rejected 60-40 for the winner, he also rejected 60-40 for him. He also rejected 50-50 split with no-rematch clause.

Goes on and explain us pls ?


Also explain us how much money did Fury won against Wilder 1, and what was the pot?
Wilder had a guaranteed purse of $4 million and Fury took home a guaranteed purse of $3 million.

Now also explain us how much Fury will make now, turning every single fan against him ?

As far as Usyk signed with the Saudi. This was a clear deal in order for Usyk to get the Undisputed fight, and for people to see Fury for what he truly is.
And yes it's shows Fury ducked the December fight again.
And even if the supposed event is being postponed or so, it's by a month or two at worst, it's not an 6 month or a year, which is perfectly normal for such a big event.


The reality is your hero is trying to age Usyk out, and forcing him to fight his mandatory and to have hard fights which he gets a pass by the corrupted WBC, which are on a payroll from Warren, and will maybe want to fight Usyk, after he is being dealt with Dubois, Hrgovic and Zhang/Joyce, while Fury fights on misfits ....

Every single person trying to defend a fraud, who is supposed to be a HW Champion, fighting on misfits exhibition fights, is not a boxing fan, but a fangirl diva.

 

We won't know, becasue Usyk walked away for $6m without making a single offer of his own.

And yet it was Usyk that walked away.

Your confusing Sports Challenge with K2. Usyk only signed with SC recently.

Usyks current market value is $8m, we all know this now, how do you not??

$8m over 30% at Wembley. Usyk made no offers, just waddled away from negotiations to fight his mando, his choice.

You can fact check everything I write, I always say if something is my opinion.

$8,057,000 is not an opinion.

What has this got to do with Usyks market value now? Or Furys for that matter? Fury earned something like 25m for Chisorasaurus, and 29m for Whyte (this is off the top of my head, happy to verify if needed, i maybe a tad out but not much id say)

He'll make a **** ton fighting NG, while Usyk fights over peanuts in Poland with Dubois.

Nice opinion. Made me smile.

They're gonna fight, Usyk just needs to either accept his value or let the Arabs pay Fury for him (my opinon)

No hero of mine, I'm not a fan of Furys instagram antics, its cringe, he's just a hell of a fighter. But its just so funny how it all makes your blood boil. Rent free.

I'll take any bet on the Fury Usyk fight happening before they retire, and to top it off, I'd bet Fury wins too.