the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Hector Camacho VS Cubanito Perez

1 Camacho
2 Camacho
3 Even
4 Camacho
5 Perez
6 Perez
7 Perez
8 Camacho
9 Perez
10 Camacho

96-95 Camacho

A bit of a flat performance from Camacho he could never really get his combinations going as Perez would tie him up nullifying his offence, Perez had some good moments going to the body and roughing Camacho up in the inside.

All in all not a great fight by any means and it was bit of scrappy affair with not alot of clean punches landed, i thought Camacho just did enough based on early rounds and winning the 10th round.

 

Angel Manfredy v Julio Diaz

1 Diaz
2 Diaz
3 Diaz
4 Manfredy 10-8 point deduction
5 Manfredy
6 Diaz
7 Diaz
8 Diaz
9 Manfredy 10-8 point deduction
10 Manfredy
11 Diaz
12 Manfredy

113-113 Draw

So i just watched this fight based on your write up and i have to say i disagree with your scorecard. Yes Diaz was more active than Manfredy and did outwork and out punch him in alot of the rounds. But Manfredy landed the harder more effective punches plus he had pretty good tight defense. Diaz didn't really land much significant hard punches to the head, where as Manfredy definitely landed the more eye catching single shots of the fight that stunned Diaz a few times.

Overall i thought the referee was a bit harsh on Diaz taking the points away, and i think without the point deductions that Diaz is a fairly clear winner in a competitive fight. But with the point deductions and i scored both rounds 10-8 unlike you, then i think a draw is a reasonable outcome although i would agree having Manfredy as the winner would be a stretch.

Overall a very good paced fight throughout and worth watching.

 

Wow, caught me by surprise on this one, D. And I’m a Manfredy man into the bargain. Still, we all have differences in our scoring, so appreciate the feedback

 

Just to point out i do agree with you that is a robbery in the case that Manfredy actually won the fight, i know that sounds silly because i scored it a draw. But i can't see Manfredy winning anymore than 5 rounds because Diaz was just too active in the fight overall, and as i said the point deductions did seem harsh on Diaz especially the 1st one ? he only had 1 warning in the opening round ? and then the referee takes a point away suddenly in the middle rounds ? and if there was no point deductions i think Diaz clearly wins it in a competitive fight.

Overall as i said i think in some rounds Manfredy landed the more effective punches, which is why i thought he edged a few of the close rounds rounds. You scored a few rounds even but if Manfredy wins those rounds your scorecard becomes more in line with mine. The only big difference in our scorecards is the point deduction rounds which you scored even and i scored for Manfredy, which means that those rounds were arguable for Manfredy.

 

Y'know, D, I think you and I make some valid points on this fight. Clearly a controversial decision and a great candidate for viewing for some of our regular posters. Man, we hit the Whitaker-Ramirez I fight pretty hard guys and I think this fight deserves no less. At worst you're going to enjoy yourselves because it is a good fight. A good fight plus controversy attracts me like a moth to flame. So let's hear from some of you. Afterall, this is why this thread is in existence.

 

Manfredy is always good value for money i haven't seen 1 Manfredy fight did that i didn't enjoy in all honesty, he doesn't do any 1 thing great. But he's the perfect example of a good all rounder and has a very pleasing boxing style to watch.

PS @scartissue i remember you saying you only watched highlights of Manfredy vs Brown, i just looked up and the full fight is on YT now i think i'll watch that today.

 

Aaron Pryor vs Antonio Cervantes

Pryor is clearly one of those guys who is a freak of nature. He does everything wrong and I always start one of his fights feeling he would be chopped to pieces by most of his contemporaries but by the end I understand that he had some insane will to win that would have made him competitive against almost anyone. And after all he have some proof in his his wins over Arguello where he shipped some brutal shots but just kept coming like some murderous wind up toy.

He simply overwhelms Cervantes, who just could not get into his rhythm despite the flash knockdown in round 1 (I had Pryor winning so scored as 10-9). Perhaps a younger Antonio could have created some distance and given himself more leverage, a prime for prime fantasy fight would be an intersting discussion. If you could get leverage you had a chance, but Aaron just didn't give his opponents the space and has an underrated chin IMO.

Pryor seems to waste a ton of punches and also ship a lot of punishment, but I feel a lot of the blows don't land cleanly due to his constant motion. As case of where his lack of conventional skills worked in his favour. An entertaining scrap while it lasts!

1. Pryor 9 Antonio Cervantes 10

2. Pryor 10 Antonio Cervantes 9

3. Pryor 10 Antonio Cervantes 9

4. Pryor wins KO 4

Pryor 29 Cervantes 28

 

Thomas Hearns vs Pipino Cuevas

Hearns gives a text book display, right up there with his stunning win over Duran. At some points is looks disconcertingly like Tommy is boxing Rubén Olivares, he has such a huge height and reach advantage over Pipino. I also got the sense of this being an example of one of those moments in boxing when a new era begins, you can see the slicker more sophisticated boxing style overwhelming the more traditional approach of Cuevas. We are entering a new era of the stunning virtuosos of carnage who could box like SSR and punch like Rocky Graziano in one package.

1- Hearns 10 Cuevas 9
2- Hearns wins KO2

 

Awesome. Thanks, D.

 

Angel Manfredy vs John Brown

1 Manfredy
2 Manfredy
3 Brown
4 Manfredy
5 Manfredy
6 Brown
7 Brown
8 Brown
9 Manfredy
10 Manfredy 10-8 point deduction
11 Manfredy
12 Manfredy

116-111 Manfredy

So i just watched this one @scartissue and i can report it was a very good fight definitely worth watching and a fun fight to score aswell.

Overall Brown being only 5'3 put the pressure on all night constantly swarming Manfredy from the out set, Manfredy did what he does throwing beautiful combinations boxing on the outside with very solid fundamentals. At times though Manfredy was forced to fight Brown's fight on the inside with ridiculous amount of pressure Brown was putting on him.

A few things about this fight there seemed to 3 big momentum swings overall, in the early going Manfredy seemed to just about get the better of Brown with the sharper punches and combinations despite Brown being very competitive with his constant pressure. In the middle rounds Brown seemed to take over and hurt Manfredy quite badly with right hands in rounds 7 and 8 a money punch for him during that period. Then in the final 3 rounds or so Brown went a bit ragged probably tired understandably from the ridiculous pace he set, and the point deduction in the 10th round was fair as Brown had been warned for low blows multiple times, and that 2 point round seemed to in the end win it fairly comfortably for Manfredy aswell as the strong finish from Manfredy aswell.

A few final points Evander Holyfield who i've never heard commentate before ? did a fairly good job as a commentator and it was nice to have 2 legends SRL and Holyfield as commentators hearing their thoughts. Julie Lederman had an identical scorecard to me 116-111 and i think she was right on the money. The 3 official judges also had it 116-111, 115-112 x2, which also seems pretty spot on to me.

Overall a very fast paced fight worth watching, i could see this fight possibly being a bit closer. But with the point deduction and Manfredy's strong finish Manfredy by a few rounds seems about right.

 

Tony Sibson vs Frank Lucas, schedule for 15 rounds on April 10, 1979, at The Royal Albert Hall in London for the vacant BBBofC middleweight championship.

The title was vacated by Alan Minter the previous year to fight successfully for the EBU title at 160.

Lucas, 10-5, is considered the favorite despite a modest record as he’s faced a much higher level of opposition. Known as the Wild Man for his roughhouse antics in (and probably out of) the ring, Lucas had unsuccessfully challenged Kevin Finnegan for this title previously and lost when it was stopped on cuts.

Sibson, 29-2-1, has been far more active in his three years as pro (Lucas started a year earlier) but hasn’t faced as many top competitors.

Sibson, 21, weighs 157. The southpaw Lucas, 25, is 159 1/2.

1 — Sibson 10-9: Tony comes out strong with a series of left hooks that land flush. Lucas surges midway through the round in spurts but Sibbo is throwing heavy leather and landing frequently.

2 — Lucas 10-9: Frank is throwing with ill intent and walks through Sibson’s jab as Tony tries to box. Roughs up the younger man a bit. (Unless the video is missing something, this round appears to end 10-15 seconds short of the full 3 minutes.)

3 — Sibson 10-9: Sibson’s hook is again a factor as he lands several clean shots as the two engage in savage exchanges. This is a fight. Lucas, as has been the case in some previous fights, sustains a nasty cut over the right eye that probably affects his eyesight and makes the Sibson hook even more effective.

4 — Lucas 10-9: Frank’s body work is the difference here in a close round. Sibson appears to be wilting a bit under the assault.

5 — Sibson wins by TKO, knocking Lucas down after landing a terrific left hook and then dropping him twice more as he goes hard after his man. Frank never recovers from the first barrage.

My card through four completed rounds in a spirited contest (using the 10-point must system rather than the half-point system favored in Great Britain at the time): 38-38. I assume referee Wally Thorn was the only judge as was pretty common at the time in the UK but his score is unavailable.

Sibson will lose the BBBofC title to Finnegan by year’s end but wins the Commonwealth and then EBU titles at middleweight the next year, putting together a run that will culminate in a failed challenge of Marvin Hagler. Lucas will fight once more, losing, and retire.

Shoutout to @Mike Cannon for his post on Lucas sparring Lottie Mwale that made me want to find some film of Frank … I’d heard of him but never seen him before. Cheers!

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Pat, watched this about a year ago. Great fight.

 

It was a pleasant surprise because while I knew the outcome, I didn’t know anything else about the fight.

And when Frank got cut (actually even before I think), the commentary was all about how many of his losses were fights stopped on cuts and I figured that’s where this was headed. Then Sibbo landed that big hook and Lucas was in la-la land. So it had a decisive outcome — the cut may have played a part as it could have blocked his vision of the hook, but it wasn’t a cuts stoppage — which I was half expecting the ref to just step in and wave it off and be left with a disappointing finish.

 

D, just watched it in its entirety now and I wouldn't change a thing on what you wrote. Just a terrific fight to watch for the intense infighting, wicked body shots and beautiful, sharp exchanges throughout. My score was almost identical to yours except I had rounds 2 and 6 Even for a 117-112 for Manfredy. Great fight. Felt like applauding in front of the screen.

 

Speaking of Manfredy, am I alone in thinking the Mayweather stoppage was premature?

I think Floyd beats him but I didn’t think Angel was defenseless or out on his feet, at least as I remember it.