Gennady Golovkin vs John Ryder

Only because of politics in the first two, a little tweaking in Canelo's direction and presto, no losses to GGG for Canelo. The 41 year Golovkin is Canelo's left overs though, but he did a respectful job for a senior citizen. All apponents who fought Canelo from Fielding to Bivol fought GGG'S left overs though.

 

Yes I understand how boxing works, that's why I pointed out that he had him hurt and in major trouble but let him survive. We can speculate as to why. You can say he didn't want to put himself in jeopardy, maybe but we can't be sure of the reasons. Maybe he had respect for Ryder and wasn't worried about putting himself at jeopardy, but just wanted to prolong the fight and go more rounds. After all, he was fighting in his home town. As I was watching it I personally didn't want to see it end, whatever the reason I was glad the fight went the distance. But him not getting the stoppage when he had Ryder hurt really isn't a criticism. The fact is he had him hurt bad and was very close to a stoppage, which is impressive on its own. The fact that some people predicted a stoppage really is irrelevant to evaluating the performance. It was a master class performance. The way he beat Ryder over 12 rounds was arguably more impressive than if he stopped him in 5 rounds. He showed a tremendous amount of ring generalship and showmanship throughout that match.

 

Canelo was gassed in the last three rounds of the Ryder fight,thats why he didn't get the stoppage. He also gassed in the trilogy fight as well. He was very vulnerable to a sustained GGG onslaught late in that fight, but GGG didn't open up on him enough, although he did quite well at his measured pace.

 

You call it politics, when in fact it was based on what happened in the ring. If anyone was politicking, it was GGG, who created the whole Mexican Style storyline, objected to judges, etc.

 

You're moving goalposts now. You initially said it was because he was having fun in there and wanted to give then fans their moneys worth. BS. We know why. It's because Ryders tough and hung in there. Clenelo wanted to finish him but simply couldn't close the show.

 

"He was gassed" yet neither GGG or Ryder could do anything about it. But even whilst gassing late vs Ryder, it was still a very impressive performance down the stretch for Canelo. It was impressive how he fought, letting Ryder get in a couple of shots here and there, but still dictating the pace and maintaining ring generalship and command throughout.

 

Well now you're saying he wanted to finish him but couldn't, I said no he just chose not to. You're acting like you have a crystal ball and can read Canelo's mind.

I can't say for sure why he didn't push for the stoppage, I simply said he was being cautious and allowed Ryder to survive. My argument is that he could have stopped him if he pressed for it, but chose not to. You're arguing not just that he didn't but that he couldn't. To argue he couldn't is another thing. The reason why I disagree is because Ryder didn't have the power to really hurt Canelo, which is why my reasoning makes more sense that he chose not to, rather than your story that he couldn't or that thought that it would have been too dangerous to try to stop him.

What supports my view is that later on in the fight Canelo showed that he wasn't bothered whatsoever by Ryder's power, he didn't even attempt to use upper body movement to slip shots, he ate flush shots easily, so your theory that he was somehow worried about getting hurt by Ryder which is why he didn't push for the KO is quite a stretch. He, imho, clearly had the ability to end the fight at the end of the 5th, but, for whatever reason, probably out of respect for Ryder's heart and toughness, and maybe even because he was having fun in there enjoying the firefight with the brawler Ryder, decided to let him survive to prolong the fight. Again, that part of it is just my speculation, but it's less of a stretch than your theory that he was incapable of getting the knockout or stoppage, that he was too worried about getting hurt by Ryder. That idea just doesn't jive with the fact that Ryder didn't demonstrate the power to hurt Canelo at any point in the fight. I doubt Ryder would have quit, even with subsequent knockdowns, but had Canelo pressed he likely would have gotten the stoppage due to the referee showing mercy on him due to the severe nose injury and the excessive amount of blood already pouring out of it.

 

Canelo did a great job, he's great champ, and Ryder was a legit contender. Of course he is human though, i remember Hearns struggling with certain fighters even while winning lopsided decisions. It comes with the territory. Hearns struggled against Medal a little because of cutting back down to 154 lbs, then struggled against DeWitt in a lopsided fight at 160 lbs.

 

Ryder impressed me against Canelo, I thought Canelo would have stopped him but Ryder fought hard and made it to the final bell. He'd give GGG a hell of a fight, maybe even cause the upset.

 

As an athlete, sometimes you get a good lead then play it safe due to fatigue, otherwise you can lose control of the situation.

 

Lmao.... Yeah, less of a stretch that he took his foot off the gas because he didn't want to punch himself out or run into something. You are beyond delusional.

 

You're trying hard to object to what I'm saying, when it's not that far from what you're saying only in different words. I just don't agree with your story that he couldn't stop him. I'm saying he very well could have but probably didn't think it was necessary. I mean as we were watching we thought Ryder was about to be stopped at the end of the 5th and Canelo, for whatever reason, sort of let him off the hook. We can speculate as to why, but to suggest that he was incapable of stopping him right then and there is what I disagree with.

Hell, many people thought if there was a different referee, i.e. if it was a British ref, he would have been stopped. Even with Canelo not pushing harder for the stoppage when Ryder was hurt, Ryder still was arguably close enough to being stopped that if the referee waived it off after the KD I doubt anyone would have complained. So we may disagree on semantics, but my point is simply that Ryder came very close to being stopped and I strongly disagree with the idea that you're putting out that that Canelo was incapable of stopping him, or that he was worried about running into something. That's your speculation, which is fine, but don't call me delusional when your theory is more of a stretch than mine. There's nothing to suggest that he was worried about running into something, or that he didn't want to punch himself out. Those are possible reasons, but we can't read Canelo's mind. I saw it as Canelo just didn't feel the need to push for the KD at that point. Possibly because he already took some shots form Ryder and realized he couldn't hurt him so he felt no need to stop him. If you have a big puncher in there, sometimes there's more of an urgency to get the stoppage, knowing that if you don't, your opponent could end up hurting you. But in this case Ryder wasn't a big puncher and I don't think Canelo was worried about Ryder's power, so stoppage or not he was very comfortable going the distance and not feeling the need to push for the KO knowing that.

Fatigue is a possible factor, as to why Canelo didn't press more, but on that point, Canelo was said to gas in the last 3 rounds. When he had Ryder hurt, though, that was much earlier in the fight, in Round 5, so that was long before Canelo was gassing. So blaming it on fatigue doesn't really add up. Maybe late in the fight, sure but I was specifically addressing the original point of Canelo not getting the stoppage within the first 6 rounds, and was addressing why he didn't go in for the kill when he had Ryder hurt in the 5th.

There's a common theme in m.s.'s latest post to my original post :

We both agree that he chose "played it safe" which was what I said originally. I said he chose to be cautious which fits right into what m.s. is saying about not wanting to lose control of the situation.

 

My "theory" is well within the realm of common sense, your "theory" is just fanboy rambling and constant goal post shifting.

 

Not at all. My theory is simply that Canelo didn't feel the need to push for the stoppage, because #1 he already felt Ryder's power, knew that he couldn't hurt him, knew that he was easily winning the rounds. So he had no real urgency to push for the stoppage, then and there, and possibly out of respect for Ryder's toughness and heart. The only thing I disagree with is the idea that Canelo was incapable of stopping him which you seem to be suggesting. I'm saying, no, he was simply "playing it safe", he decided to be cautious, we can speculate as to why, but it seemed pretty clear that he was capable of stopping Ryder if he pushed harder. He simply chose not to. You're arguing that he couldn't, or that he was worried about getting hurt by Ryder, or that it was because of fatigue. Those reasons aren't really in the realm of common sense, given that Canelo wasn't fatigued in the 5th round, Ryder didn't have the power to hurt him, Canelo already hurt Ryder bad and knocked him down, etc.

Some are trying to turn the fact that Canelo didn't stop Ryder into a failure, or that he needed to stop him for some reason. He didn't need to stop him. It was a master class performance stoppage or not. And in some ways it was even more impressive with it going the distance.

 

The risk of going all out vs the reward wasn't worth it. He knows if he got knocked on his a** in front of his people it wouldn't be good.