Louis vs Marciano

Bivins hadn't been ranked since 48, he fought Louis in 51.

 

Bivins had not been ranked since 48
Savold was forcibly retired 1 fight later, he had lost 6 of his previous 12 fights.

 

I meant outside of Charles, Walcott n Louis but ofc the first two still could get more credit. Anything else is just speculation tbh we can only truly judge them for when n who they fought. Hopefully the Unbeaten book gives me more clarity.

 

The unbeaten book is good…but it’s a less in-depth study of the division and landscape. Really a look at the NBA ratings and boxrec records of those listed within the timeline is all you are going to need. Those contenders really stand up. Just a quick glance will verify this.

There is new info on Marciano in the unbeaten book and it is accurate so far as his life and times go. Enjoy.

 

You know he got himself ranked before the year was out though. Do not pretend you don’t. Bivins was younger than Louis and always a live handful at world level. These contenders fought an awful lot. They fought each other too.

And so what if Savold “forcibly retired” one fight later? You know that of the 6 fights he won from his last 12 Lee beat the right placed people at the right time to legitimately earn his ranking. Savold was legit. That is no reflection at all on the division. It was very competitive.

 

Savold was used up, beating Woodcock on a cut eye means **** to me.Now you know what you can do with your ,"don't pretend remark." .Competitive does not equate to quality .

Look at the dates of Savold's last 6 wins.He hadn't won a fight over anyone worth talking about for 6 years!

 

Savold legitimately won that Woodcock fight though. A high profile fight. It landed him international recognition. Thems the facts.

Savold operated at contender level most of his career. He was good enough to challenge Joe Louis at almost any point of Louis’s tenure as champion. And he stayed at that level as a decent contender. You can’t knock that. He beat Joe Baksi, Lem Franklin and Lou Nova. Held his own with many others as a decent performer. Savold Scored the fastest Kayo in a main event in Madison square garden, a record held until Cooney beat Norton.

He even beat King Kong.

 

This is the report of the Savold v Marciano fight ,only8 months after the Savold v Louis fight.
"Like Wednesday night when to all intent and purposes he ended the career of the veteran Lee Savold. It is no exaggeration to say that Marciano slaughtered Savold. The 35-year-old Englewood, N. J., fighter was a blood-soaked hulk when his manager, Bill Daly, asked Referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round.

"The will was there but not the body," said Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire.

Savold was a used up relic who hadn't beat anyone worth mentioning for 6 years!

Going into the Louis fight,when was the last time Bivins had legitimately beaten a top ten ranked fighter?
Don't say the 1 st Clarence Henry fight.Henry took a dive in that one.

 

That’s not true because Savold beat Woodcock in 1950. A stadium fight for a version of the World title. His next fight was versus Joe Louis.

 

Woodcock was never really world class and everybody but you knows and admits it! So yes it is true,and their 1 st fight was a tank job orchestrated by Solomons. Who outside the UK recognized it as a world title fight ?
Direct me to where I can see Savold's name as a world champion ? How long did the UK recognize it before saying Charles was the true champion?
You are,as usual, full of it! Making silk purses out of sows ears!

 

woodcock knocked out Gus Lesnavich (A winner of Ring magazine fighter of the year award) when Gus was the reigning WORLD LH champion which makes Woodcock WORLD class. and before you start dismissing Gus as “only a light heavyweight” please remember Gus was fighting heavyweights since 1940 and would later challenge Ezzard Charles for the WORLD HW title after losing to woodcock and would beat 20lb heavier Tami Mauriello and 190lb melio Bettina who were both ranked as heavyweight contenders.

When Louis retired, in the absence of legitimate tournament, America selected winner of Charles and Walcott to become the next world champion on the IBC say so. Europe, the BBBC, who had previously also recognised Louis, then selected the winner of Savold and Woodcock, but once Joe Louis returned to face Charles they dropped their recognition of Savold in support of the winner of Louis v Charles. It’s really not any different to the WBA selecting Tate and Coetzee to meet for their recognition when Ali retired. Difference being, once Ali returned to fight Holmes…the WBA stubbornly stayed with the line of chancers they had recognised in his absence. Which really was more ludicrous.The WBA had previously sanctioned Terrell v Machen as a world title fight as well. No more ludicrous than Savold v Woodcock if you ask me.

 

Woodcock never legitimately beat a world class heavyweight.

 

I'm impressed how consistently someone can b a top contender or champ but outside of that I'm not invested in ratings too much just as long as champs n top contenders fight each other. Ofc its subjective but I go on the "eye test" as far as how they perform against each other.



I didn't mean to disrespect the accomplishments of the ppl u listed so if I came off that way I apologize. They still got in there against the best more than most now imho just that their era isn't my cup of tea minus a few fights here n there.


Yeah I'm mainly interested in Rocky but I will b more educated on that time than I am now. Thank you for your insight!

 

Records show that Savold did.

 

He beat him with one hand in a lackluster ten rounder. Those witnessing it observed that he had no right hand, no timing and should retire. The Louis they rolled out to face Marciano was a shell of a shell of his former greatness, in it for a much needed paycheck. If it weren't for the pathetic state of the division post war, he wouldn't even be discussed as revlebant. I understand why Rocky had to do it but I don't give him a lot of credit, from a boxing standpoint, for doing it.