I do not like Tyson Fury, when he goes bye bye that will be a good day for boxing.

So does @miniq

Different ring however

 

Because it's too hard for you to do a basic math ?

Most people reported that fight did less than 300K. PPV, but i will be very generous and will say it was 500k.
That is 13,475m. And guess what the fighter gets just a percentage of that, simply because the Network Company in the case of BT getting the vast majority of the percentage.

As far as the Gate, you won't get more than 6-7m.
Most big stadium have a rent between 1-3m.
So you have to take that into consideration.

For AJ vs Klitschko if my memory serve correctly, there was a study, and they claimed the gate revenue could be around 7-8 million. Don't know if they extract the rent from that though.

So again i'm being generous to Fury and giving him 7m.
So at best the fight could generate 20m.

The supposed fee for the fighters were 3.1m. for Chisora and 21m. for Fury.

So it's either Frank and Bob Arum are that dumb and they are working on big loses and pay Fury from their own job, or they simply put some inflated numbers, and pay Fury whatever the fight generate.

You also have to take into the account that promoter have to take a cut, and that there is a whole card in play, and the other boxers also receive a honorarium. You are paying for the marketing(which is costly), judges/referee, the staffs in the arena, for literally everything.


And now imagine if we include the real/actual numbers of the PPV sold, around 300k.
And the same for Whyte, and the sum just doesn't work.

Klitschko vs AJ earned around 15m. each, on a full sold out Wembley, and they sold a record of that time of 1.532 million buys.

In order for Whyte vs Fury to generate close to that money, that fight has to sell like crazy. And it's fail miserably.
So either Frank Warren gives from his pocket 41million. or they are simply not paying Fury the supposed purse they put in the media, quite simple really.

 

How much money did the promoters put into it? How do you even quantify that by the way? Do you know how many staff these promoters they have? Their staff's pay rates?

 

Warren won the purse for Whyte and he staged the fight. So the money comes from Queensberry, so if they was to generate big money it was on them, same if they were to lose.

I don't know how much they pay for staffs stuffs and the rest, but unless they break all UK PPV records, which they did not, and the fight sell terribly in USA, they failed miserably, and again either not pay Fury his whole fee, or they pay Fury from their own pocket.

Educate:
Top Rank CEO Bob Arum predicts 500,000 pay-per-view buys on ESPN in the U.S for the British heavyweight match-up between WBC champion Tyson Fury and Dillian Whyte. With the vast $41 million winning bid put in by Top Rank last Friday at the purse bid for the Fury-Whyte fight, the fight must draw huge pay-per-view numbers in the U.S and the UK. It likely won’t be enough for the investors to recoup their $41 million for the Fury vs. Whyte might if it only sells a lot of PPV buys in the UK and fills a stadium. They’re probably going to need a large number of buys in the U.S as well, and that’s where the problem lies.

The PPV numbers in the US was a little bit below 40k.
That's tell you the whole story how bad this fight flopped.

And Warren predicted they will do 1.5m. PPV in the UK.

 

If you can't provide promoters expenses, if you can't provide UK PPV sales, why even go there? Why even try and quantify the figures when you haven't got all of the data to make a rational argument?

Be a fan and critique the quality of the show, whether it be the level of opposition, the acoustics of the stadium, the quality of the commentary, whether or not someone took a dive or not, these are all things you should be commenting on as a fan.

The money these guys make is none of your business and why even bother because you don't have accurate data.

 

He's kinda buffoon, if he would focus on working in the ring and his craft and left all the outside the ring antics...................you know what, I think Fury is the best or 2nd best HW since Wlad. I'll be fine never seeing him compete again, so the division can move on.

This time will be looked upon as a dark age at HW

 

None have literally, except the promoters.
That wasn't the point we were starting to argue about.
The reality is, and everyone knows that if the fight was actually done good, great, etc, they would have released the numbers and go bragging about everyone they go.
And it's the Fury fans that always brings the money and excuse his ducking of X or Y fighter, with he being the "draw" when he clearly is not.
And using his inflated numbers thrown in the media, which is b.c., and while i don't have exact figures, it's quite clear he ain't making even close to the money "he is supposed to be paid" for this fights, as his PPV are just not there, never was, never will be.

That was the main point.

As well as you claiming that we he can't be held accountable for not fighting, you see cause he was in negotiation for certain fights, which makes absolutely no-sense.

And whether you are Fury fan or not, you should at least want him to be active and fights the top guys in the division.

 

And talking about negotiation, and failed ones, here is what Otto have to say about it:

“Now, I’m not involved in these negotiations that he’s dealing with, of course, but if you look from the outside, it seems like Fury is playing around too much and making everything more difficult. He is certainly difficult to work with; he contradicts himself all the time on Instagram and in interviews.

To me, it seems like Fury is the one who’s the problem. Usyk, whom he was supposed to face, already has a match; he’s going to fight Danny Dubois in August. Fury still hasn’t boxed – he fought against Derek Chisora in December, he could have easily had at least one fight already and defended his title. But he hasn’t.

He keeps saying that he has tried to set up fights with everyone, but no one wants to fight him. I don’t think anyone believes him when he says that. He seems very difficult to work with if I’m being honest. I think he’s the one throwing a spanner in the works for himself.”

 

Now don't take it personally, but you are not right - the Skill Challenge guy said it himself (timestamped below): "Fury is the marketing machine". So that is how Skill Challenge sees it, regardless of the fact they signed with Usyk. Krassyuk said it himself that Fury generates the bigger interest. With all that said, I am not going into a discussion about what should've been the split.

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I like fury. He's not good to boxing, ofc. But I like him. He's nuts. I like people who are not vey sane.

He maybe doesnt speak ALWAYS the truth. But he has no problem to speak the truth that nobody wants to speak. That makes him likeable, I think.

 

Yep and they offered him 60 million back in January, and he refused it, and wanting 120million. More than the entire pot would be. Pricing himself out of the fight. Usyk accepted the deal, and surprise surprise it was the same figure, aka 60m., and this figure comes out of Bob Arum mouth.
And Abdullah is always been gentle about who he talk, even if the guy he is talking is an absolutely a******. As this is the way Saudi is doing their business.
And again what sells this fight is the Undisputed, both are undefeated, and one ZERO would go away. It doesn't matter who is bigger or not.
Without Usyk there is no Undisputed. Same goes for Fury.

Running away from the fight and pricing himself out, is what lead him to here, that pretty much all of his ex fans are against him now and mocking him. He is ruining his legacy, and in the end, this is what it's the most important.
Both already have more money, that they could probably spend.

Anyway we will soon understand if Fury wants the fight or not. Usyk manager already reported that Usyk have a deal in place for the Undisputed. Fury is to accept or reject the offer again. And he won't get bigger offer than the Saudi, as this is crystal clear.

And we can bet on whatever you want that Fury will reject the offer.

 

Exactly the same position this Undisputed fight was in months ago nothing I repeat nothing has changed ! Usyk had a deal in place with the Saudis last time and accepted it but Fury didn’t accept it,so Usyk unfortunately had nothing and he will be in the exact same position as before if Fury refuses again. Sadly this Undisputed fight only happens when Fury decides it happens as well as the fact that this Undisputed fight is without a doubt the biggest money fight of Usyks career and Fury knows this also. Fans feel like 50/50 is fare to both fighters however there promoters and teams around them know there market value and both sides will be looking to get the biggest slice of the Saudi pie as possible. Should Fury refuse the deal once more questions will be asked and more accusations/insults thrown at him than the last time no doubt. Where does a Fury refusal leave Usyk then ? Firstly Usyk has mandatories to take care of then imo he should seek out the biggest win of Furys career amongst active fighters and that would be Wilder,a win over Wilder would certainly put pressure on Fury for an Undisputed fight. As for Fury if he refuses the Saudi event well he has to fight his mandatory once somebody is named. However hopefully this Undisputed fight happens either late this year or early next year .

 

"As well as you claiming that we he can't be held accountable for not fighting, you see cause he was in negotiation for certain fights, which makes absolutely no-sense."

How does that make no sense? Are you saying that a fighter should be forced to make a bad deal for themselves in order to have the match? That would be a ludicrous notion.

 

A fighter ? It's the promotional company that do the offers, not the fighters themselves. Educate yourself on the topic before arguing about something you don't know.

And yeah it's a logical thing that you need to win the Purse Bid with the least amount of money, simply because you won't have to pay big money to the rival promotions, and their fighter.
If the fight generate bigger cut, the rest of the money is for you, aka the promotion company, and it's up to them and the deal they had with their fights to either pay him more than the guaranteed or not.
Common thing.

 

Fury’s legs have gone, the longer he waits this out the better it is for him.