the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Roberto Duran v Vilomar Fernandez (lightweight title)

Although I saw this fight when it took place, I wanted to revisit it as I wanted to see Duran again in his lightweight years. And I had forgotten what a lively contest it was. I really enjoyed it and enjoyed hearing the very articulate Jerry Quarry at ringside and conducting the post fight interview. The dude was class at the mic. Regarding the fight, what made it lively was Fernandez on his bike but moving in and out pot-shotting with counters throughout. It really was a fools errand as he lacked the pop to do anything to Duran and this style wasn't going to win many rounds. But it did make it entertaining for the viewer. I only gave Fernandez a share of rounds 3 and 7 and I gave Duran a 10-8 round for the 10th as I felt he administered a bit of a battering that round for a 120-109 score before Duran lowered the boom in the 13th with a wicked body shot. Have not seen any activity on this thread on this fight, but can recommend this for a fun fight and some nostalgia thrown in seeing a young Duran and Quarry.

 

I scored this yesterday i found your scorecard so i thought i would compare it, we differed quite a bit in the 1st half of the fight. But then pretty much agreed on a majority of the rounds in the 2nd half. You obviously had it wider than me but we both thought Weaver was the winner.


Michael Dokes vs Mike Weaver 2

1 Dokes
2 Dokes
3 Dokes
4 Weaver
5 Dokes
6 Dokes
7 Dokes
8 Weaver
9 Weaver
10 Weaver
11 Dokes
12 Weaver
13 Weaver
14 Weaver
15 Weaver

143-142 Weaver

Dokes tried to come out fast and stop Weaver in the early going just like the 1st fight, but Weaver was much more prepared this time and held his ground. I felt like Dokes did a good job backing up Weaver in the first 3 rounds and out landing him with the more flashier shots. Dokes after the 3rd round decided to box on the backfoot with Weaver pursuing him, and the fight continued in the same pattern for the rest of the way.

I felt like despite Weaver being the aggressor he wasn't doing enough between rounds 5-7, and Dokes was nicking them rounds with his more active jab. But after the 8th round Dokes faded very badly and was basically retreating at this point with nothing on his punches, and whilst Weaver wasn't a whirling dervish himself. He was the aggressor landing the harder punches especially to the body, and Dokes was just flicking out a jab with nothing on it and just clinching.

Overall it was a close fight but to me Weaver looked like the winner, Dokes did virtually nothing in the 2nd half of the fight and was constantly retreating and clinching in the later rounds. Dokes started off well but didn't do enough for me in the 2nd half of the fight.

 

Vilomar boxed Duran, as opposed to Lou Bizzarro, who ran like it was a track meet.

That ring was anywhere from 25x25 feet to 30x30 for Lou’s title challenge in his hometown. Good plan. Didn’t work.

 

D, actually we only disagreed on rounds 2 and 7 (I don't count my two even rounds as a disagreement, I just saw it slightly closer) and after 15 rounds, that's not too bad. We were clearly watching the same fight.

 

Yeah I agree and even though I had it close, to me Weaver just appeared to be the better fighter on the night. Dokes was retreating for over half the fight, and did very little in the final 5 or 6 rounds. He certainly didn't look a legitimate world champion in that fight who had proved his dominance vs Weaver.

I feel bad for Weaver he was on a nice little run prior to the Dokes fights, and never quite reached those heights again after all the BS in Dokes fights. Although the KO over Williams was probably his last real standout win.

 

Mike Weaver v James Pritchard

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Pritchard (extended time on the ropes with no return from Weaver)
Round 3: 10-9 Pritchard
Round 4: 10-8 Weaver (standing count)
Round 5: 10-9 Pritchard
Round 6: Weaver batters Pritchard for another standing count before the ensuing onslaught causes the ref to stop it.

Total through 5 completed rounds: 48-46 Pritchard

I was looking for a good action fight and checked out some woeful ones (avoid Bonecrusher-Jesse Ferguson like the plague) but finally alighted on this one. Afterall, Weaver rarely lets one down and he was true to form here. Pritchard wasn't bad but he knew squat about what to do when hurt. Dropping your hands and just taking shots to the jaw with no head movement is as inviting as can be. Although Pritchard met with moments of success before the Weaver engine started rolling, he was also benefitting from a friendly hometown referee in front of his hometown audience of Louisville. I'm really surprised the announcers (one of them Randy Gordon) never made mention to the referee's long counts for Pritchard. In the 4th round, from the time he separated the fighters to the time he called for them to box, I counted 24 seconds having elapsed. The second time in the 6th round I counted 15 seconds having elapsed during the ref's standing 'eight' counts. But Weaver didn't take his foot off the pedal and finished the job in the 6th of a very lively contest.

 

Marvin Hagler vs John Mugabi

Round 1 - Mugabi; hagler felt mugabi's punches first round, he did great job catching and then countering but I think that mugabi left an bigger impact

Round 2 - Hagler; hagler landed more significant shots this round, he also did great blocking and catching mugabi's punches, but it was a close round that could've went to mugabi as well imo

Round 3 - Hagler; this round was pretty similar to the second one, with hagler langing a lot of good jabs

Round 4 - Hagler; mugabi is doing good but hagler really took the pace, blocking, jabbing, moving effectively and not backing down from mugabi's punches

Round 5 - Hagler; I almost gave this round to mugabi but hagler's jab makes such a dangerous difference, it always counters and always lands no matter what mugabi throws

Round 6 - Hagler; this round was pretty clear, props to mugabi for whitstanding this

Round 7 - Mugabi, point deducted from hagler (low blow)

Round 8 - Hagler, mugabi landed good this round but the volume of well landed punches simply goes to hagler

Round 9 - Mugabi, really close but mugabi, he landed a good lot of body shots and uppers

Round 10 - Hagler, both guys landed good but mugabi was clearly affected by haglers punches, in contrary to hagler

Round 11 - Hagler wins by KO

 

Zad, finally getting around to this one.

Michael Dokes v Lionel Washington (Inter-crap title)

Round 1: 10-9 Dokes
Round 2: 10-9 Dokes
Round 3: 10-9 Dokes
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Washington
Round 6: 10-9 Washington
Round 7: 10-9 Dokes (Dokes is dropped after the bell - not sure if it is counted)
Round 8: Dokes drops and stops Washington

Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-66 Dokes (but if that KD is counted I would have it 68-67 for Dokes because I would have only scored that round 10-10)

To tell you the truth, with the mechanical way Washington fights and the roly-poly 253 1/2 that Dokes showed up weighing, there wasn't too much to this fight other than the 7th and 8th rounds. To be clear, Dokes was having a good 7th when the bell rang and wasn't heard. One can hear the timekeeper ringing the bell a number of times, but referee Larry Rozadilla misses it and Washington nails Dokes and drops him. Rozadilla counts him - perhaps still not knowing the round is over before finally sending him to his corner. I know the count continues after the bell, but the knockdown had to have taken place at about 3:03 of the round. The announcers (Chick Hearn and Carlos Palomino) say the KD counts but I don't know if calmer minds concluded differently. As I said before, I would have only scored it 10-10 if it counts because Dokes was having a good round and the only thing Washington did was actually hit him after the bell for a bogus KD. Dokes at least got fired up enough to end matters in the next round and in the post-fight interview said his bloated shape was due to a bad back making it impossible to run and take off weight. Even that was amiss, because he really never again got himself in good condition. One only has to see his weight history after that. He was always in the 240-250 range. Must've been a really bad back.

 

No easy fights for Dokes by that stage of the game. It had been a long time since he had an easy night's work---tough tough sport when everything is a struggle and having to dig deep.

 

Francisco 'Panchito' Bojado v Emmanuel Clottey

Round 1: 10-9 Bojado
Round 2: 10-9 Bojado
Round 3: 10-9 Bojado
Round 4: 10-9 Clottey
Round 5: 10-9 Clottey
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Bojado
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Bojado
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 98-95 Bojado (actual scores: 99-92 and 2 scores of 97-93 all for Bojado)

Y'know, I've made mention in the past of Argentine fighters seemingly coming out of the same pug factory. All strong, burly, clubbing punchers. Well I have noticed fighters from the African continent that seem to emulate that Dick Tiger style. And by that I mean they seem to be chiseled out of rock and as tough, as well as being grinding infighters. And Emmanuel Clottey was no different. This was a tough fight and Clottey took advantage of the Bojado 'fight in spurts' style by fighting maybe unspectacular but rock steady. I felt it was closer than the announcing team was giving it credit for. A decent fight.

 

Ah yes the can't miss next superstar Panchito Bojado.

 

Arturo Gatti vs Ivan Robinson I

Entertaining fight but I was surprised it was Rings fight of the year. I am actually surprised by my scoring as I felt Robinson won but for some reason I ended up with a draw. I think the final round could have gone to Robinson but he was so closed to being stopped I had to give it to Gatti. Glad I wasn't a judge that night as I felt the right man won!

I was impressed by Robinson, there was a bit of a Meldrick Taylor vibe to his style and he showed he could be slick but also hang with Thunder. I was surprised his record was not better, maybe Gatti just made him look good with his particular style?

1- Ivan Robinson 10 Arturo Gatti 9

2 - Ivan Robinson 9 Arturo Gatti 10

3 - Ivan Robinson 10 Arturo Gatti 9

4 - Ivan Robinson 8 Arturo Gatti 10

5 - Ivan Robinson 10 Arturo Gatti 9

6 - Ivan Robinson 10 Arturo Gatti 10

7 - Ivan Robinson 10 Arturo Gatti 9

8 - Ivan Robinson 9 Arturo Gatti 10

9 - Ivan Robinson 10 Arturo Gatti 9

10 - Ivan Robinson 9 Arturo Gatti 10

FINAL Ivan Robinson 95 Arturo Gatti 95

 

Arturo Gatti vs Ivan Robinson 1

1 Robinson
2 Gatti
3 Robinson
4 Gatti 10-8 knockdown
5 Robinson
6 Gatti
7 Robinson
8 Gatti
9 Robinson
10 Gatti

95-94 Gatti

I'm surprised i had Gatti winning since as i said before normally people have Robinson edging it, but i slightly preferred the harder punches from Gatti rather than the quantity from Robinson. The swing rounds were rounds 2, 5, 6, 8, for example in rounds 2 and 8 Robinson landed more punches than Gatti certainly, but in round 2 i liked Gatti's harder punches to the body. And in round 8 Gatti landed all the hard punches and seemed to hurt Robinson at the end of the round, despite Robinson landing more punches i thought Gatti won the round based on that.

Overall it's a very close fight and i can see how people scored it for Robinson for his amazing workrate and combination punching. But i slightly preferred Gatti's body punching and harder punches, and with the knockdown in the 4th round i thought Gatti edged it.

Arturo Gatti vs Ivan Robinson 2

1 Gatti
2 Robinson
3 Robinson
4 Robinson
5 Gatti
6 Robinson
7 Robinson
8 9-9 point deduction for Gatti but i thought he won the round clearly
9 Gatti
10 Gatti

95-94 Robinson

Another close fight that i would of scored a draw without the point deduction, not that Gatti can complain about the deduction. He had been warned multiple times for low blows so the point deduction was justified.

Gatti came out in the 1st round looking to slip Robinson's jab, and i thought Gatti's somewhat improved defence was looking fairly sharp and i thought he had a decent round. But that soon went out the window and Gatti went back to taking 3 punches to land 1, Robinson for me was much more dominant between rounds 2-7 than he was in the 1st meeting. And he really beat up Gatti especially in rounds 3 and 7, taking a staggering 77 punches in round 7 which is inhuman.

The fight turned around in round 8 as Gatti's body punches started to have an effect on Robinson, despite the point deduction in the 8th round. Gatti didn't let it discourage him and kept going to the body and having success. I thought Gatti clearly won rounds 8-10 with his body punching to make the fight alot closer, but with the point deduction and Robinson's success in the first 7 rounds. I thought Robinson just about did enough to win a close decision.

Overall it was another amazing fight not quite as good as the 1st one, but still a very memorable FOTY candidate. It makes me wonder though had both of these fights been 12 rounds would Gatti have won ? i think so Robinson was fading in both fights coming down the stretch.

On a side note two of the judges had it 95-94 so they see the same fight as me.

 

Gatti’s eye usually started swelling sometime between the press conference and the weigh-in. What a warrior. his fights were (almost) always delightful wars that felt like epic novels with changes of fortunes and dramatic story arcs.

 

I wish Gatti was in the Chacon, Limon, Boza-Edwards, era. My god what an amazing bunch of fights he would of had with these gentlemen.