Did Liston Get Exposed By Ali

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  1. Freddy Benson.

    Freddy Benson. Active Member Full Member

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    Exposed - it depends upon your starting point.

    "I know that some will bring up how Liston was really older than advertised or that Liston didnt take Ali seriously enough but he looked so slow and sluggish on his feet."

    This bit leapt out, I could be wrong but it gives the impression that you are not really interested in a balanced appraisal. There were factors that affected Liston's performance as well as the fact it was Ali he was up against. Exposed is a pretty ridiculous term to use.
     
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  2. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Muhammad was all wrong for Sonny.
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    nobody would have known he was past prime until seeing Muhammad dealing with him. Everyone thought sonny was just getting better and better after he beat Floyd the second time.
     
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  4. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think people actually fight to be the first one to declare somebody is "exposed"
     
  5. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was in his 40s
     
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  6. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exposed? Nah Donald Curry was more of an exposure than Liston was. After his loss to Honeyghan, he was leveled by McCallum and Norris, all three were good by not great punchers. Curry didn't have a great chin, it was exposed by multiple different fighters.
    After the Ali fights Liston went on a 14 fight win streak, until 1969. When he may have been in his mid forties according to some accounts when he was finally stopped again by Leotis Martin. He also ended Martin's career, so though he was K'oed, he was still plenty dangerous.
    It was more a revelation of how good Ali was , a early warning to the rest of the heavyweights just how unique a skill set and physicality he had.
    To this day, we still haven't seen any heavyweight that had the skill set and physicality to handle that version of Ali.
    Though we've seen a few that may have given him hell.....
     
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No proof that Liston ever reached much past 40.

    most big people who don’t know how old they are …wind up being listed older to get work rather than younger.
     
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  8. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Completely disagree and I think every other Hall of fame Heavyweight since 1964 would have done better vs Ali than Liston did.
     
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  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I don’t know if Curry was necessarily “exposed” but his career certainly never recovered properly after the Honyghan loss.

    seemed to me Curry was legit. A gifted talent. Don relied on having an extra half second on everyone else. But it just went after that beating. It never came back.

    Once Don lost that half second of timing, he started getting cut and butted because he was leaving his head in the way like he still had the speed to beat a guy to the draw. It wasn’t there anymore. But His head was there though. It was now in the way to hit or for the other guy to run into it with his own head.

    Curry never would have developed that technical flaw of leaving his chin so high had he had regular speed.

    it worked perfect when he had that extra half second to react.
     
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  10. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just my opinion, sorry it didn't support your agenda.....
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you at least concede that Listons lack of heart was shown ?
     
  12. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So that's your agenda Liston's like of heart?
     
  13. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Old man hated by the establishment and the world. Go easy on the poor soul.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Completely untrue. Every official record has him born no later than 1930 which would put him at 40 years old when he died.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Barrios is a bandit robber - Psalm 144:1 Full Member

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    When do you think he lost his legs?