Who was more skilled: Mike Tyson or Julio Cesar Chavez

I would say Chavez is more well rounded and can box on the backfoot aswell as he showed vs Lockridge.

 

I think they were both extremely skilled. But I believe what kept Chavez winning longer was his consistency and focus

 

That's how I see it. Tyson fizzled out while Chavez was very disciplined and didn't neglect his training. Both were very skilled and well rounded. I think Chavez had better fundamentals and more traditional defense while Tyson was a little better with combinations and counters.

 

Not even close, Chavez all day long.

 

Not sure if this is a troll thread, but here we go.

Cutting off the ring - Chavez
Closing the distance - Chavez
Foot work - Chavez
Head movement - Chavez
Combinations - Chavez
Counter punching - Chavez
Inside fighting - Chavez
1 punch knockout power - Tyson
Over all knockout capability - Chavez
Stamina - Chavez
Endurance - Chavez

None of these points are even debatable just straight facts.

 

Several of those are debatable

 

I like how you said "Several of those are debatable" but then you don't point any of these so called debatable points out or even try to make a debate at all. lol.

 

Tbh the Cus D'amato style is a flawed one.
Chavez got the absolute most out of his physical ability. Tyson lacked infighting(which may be his own fault) and he squared up way too much which cost him when his energy levels and footspeed inevitably diminished.

 

Well for starters you're drunk if you think Chavez was better at cutting off the ring and closing the distance when Whitaker boxed circles around him. Tyson was able to cut the ring off against multiple movers such as Biggs, Tubbs, etc.

Head movement...are you high? Tyson had arguably the best head movement in the history of his division at his peak.

When did Chavez ever prove he was a better counter puncher than Tyson who has a highlight reel of beautiful counters? Give me some specific examples.

 

But you said there was no debate, BoB.

If you are up for a debate, then, here goes...

Cutting off the ring - I don't recall Tyson ever following anyone aimlessly around the ring. You can make a case for either.
Closing the distance - Tyson much more explosive of foot. He was outstanding at this. Very much up for debate.
Foot work - Tyson has by far the quicker feet per size and shifted angles brilliantly. A criticism of JCC was that he was a bit one-paced. I go Tyson here.
Head movement - Tyson.
Combinations - Up for grabs. Pinklon Thomas votes Tyson. Chapo Rosario goes JCC.
Counter punching - Chavez. Not making a case against Julio here.
Inside fighting - Chavez. Without question.
1 punch knockout power - Tyson
Over all knockout capability - Julio wore opponents down more thoroughly. Tyson had normally finished them by that stage. Either or.
Stamina - Chavez. Yep.
Endurance - Chavez. Really that cut and dry? I never saw Julio absorb the kind of beating Tyson did vs Douglas, Holyfield or, even when shot to shid vs Lewis.

So I think seven of your closed book criteria are up for grabs. No question that Julio is the greater fighter. He gets that on consistency and longevity but in Mike's three year pomp (that's nearly the length of Marciano's reign, twice Foreman Mark 1's reign - he was no flash in the pan as often gets cited. He just peaked at a ridiculously young age) his skills were up there for comparison against those of the very best. And I'm no fanboy before anyone throws that at me. I just remember how good he was and don't discount that because he didn't become what we thought he would.

 

Chavez was and is one of the highest regarded pressure fighters of all time. In order to perfect this style you have to perfect cutting off the ring which Chavez did and you can see this in hours of tape.
For you to cherry pick 1 fight with Whitaker in which ended up as a majority draw is an extremely weak foundation for your point. lol.

"Tyson had arguably the best head movement in the history of his division at his peak." So when was Tysons peak? A couple of years maybe?
Chavez's peak and head movement ran strong and undefeated for 13 years! And Im talking about some of the best head movement while standing right in front of his opponent that puts Tyson to shame. There is also hours of film showing this just open your eyes and look.

Here are some specific examples where Chavez scored a knockdown and or KO to win by using counter punching. This is off the top of my head.
Greg Haugen
Refugio Rojas
Frankie Mitchell
Buck Smith
Silvio Rojas
Mosley august
Romero Sandoval
Roger Mayweather
Meldrick Taylor

 

so a guy like 70lbs lighter than Tyson had better stamina who ever would have guessed

I think the reason Tyson lacked infighting was because of his style, he could have a taller guy scrunched up to the point it would pretty much be the inside for that guy but Tyson would still be in the pocket for his power uppercuts and he wanted to unload and get the KO, also if he just clinched without action the ref would separate them letting him reset and come back in on his midrange to the end of his pocket and have a better chance of landing

 

This is not a real debate your just making a fool of yourself. You keep saying "You can make your case for either" but then you don't make your case.
And if your examples consist of
/Endurance - Chavez. "Really that cut and dry? I never saw Julio absorb the kind of beating Tyson did vs Douglas, Holyfield or, even when shot to shid vs Lewis."
Then your going to have to do some homework. Try better next time.

 

The fact you think Chavez earned that bogus "draw" tells me all I need to know. You're a fanboy.

I already said Tyson's peak was short. But during his peak, Chavez would certainly not "put him to shame". That's the biggest hyperbole I've seen on this forum.

None of those examples for Chavez counter punching would make him leagues ahead of Tyson in that category but it's very obvious you have some clown takes so there's no point in continuing.