Sonny Liston vs Riddick Bowe Who Ranks higher

Really it isn't though if you think about it wins over McCall, Berbick, Page, Cobb, are pretty much as good or in some cases better than some of Bowe's secondary wins.

 

McCall isn't significantly better than Ferguson ? he beat Seldon who you keep harping on about regarding Bowe's best wins. He also beat Lewis, Holmes, Damiani, Masakev, and was world champion. I would say he is definitely significantly better than Ferguson.

Berbick was old ? he was still considered a live contender it's no different than Bowe's win over Tubbs. Except Berbick was probably more highly thought of at that time, and Bowe's win over Tubbs was highly controversial which many people thought he lost.

Seldon is no better than the names i listed above.

Gonzalez was a good amateur but not as a professional he's basically the Audley Harrison of his time.

Hide lucked out beating Michael Bentt one of the worst belt holders in history, and somehow got gifted another chance at a vacant title vs a completely shot Tony Tucker who had lost 3 out of his last 5 fights. Hide realistically is better as Cruiserweight and is no better than the names above.

Larry Donald had only 16 pro fights and wasn't ranked in the top 10.

Yes we all know about Douglas's inconsistencies my point to you though is that regarding their best wins there's nothing to choose between them.

Take away Douglas's win over Tyson his career is mediocre, take away Bowe's win over Holyfield his career is mediocre no difference.

 

Liston #12 and Bowe #17 for me.

 

Ferguson in 80s is alot different to Ferguson in 90s, Ferguson was actually an undefeated fighter in 80s and quite a highly thought of prospect when he won Heavyweight tournament. But like James Tillis he fell into journeyman status.

Have you seen Ferguson vs Douglas ? It was a very close fight between a green Douglas that was virtually a draw.

Mercer was in terrible shape and asked Ferguson to take a dive.

McCall's wins over Masakev, Holmes, Lewis, and his other underrated wins in late 90s and early 2000s, put him significantly above Ferguson. Add to the fact he was a world champion aswell and won it off Lewis and not some weak belt holder like Hide did for example.

 

Douglas comprehensively beat Page, Berbick, McCall. And Mike Williams in a stand out performance who was highly thought of at the time.

Those wins alone put him on the same level as Bowe.

Bowe struggled immensely against Tubbs most thought he lost, struggled against a washed up Biggs, struggled against Hide being wobbled numerous times, and got beat up and humiliated by Golota twice.

Douglas prior to the loss to Holyfield had a resume that was definitely on par with Bowe.

And in actual fact if Douglas was in his form between 88-90 then he has good chance of beating Bowe, who didn't deal with good jabs or fighters who fought him at range.

 

What?

Are you turning this into a who is better, Bowe or Douglas debate?

First of all, Bowe beat Holyfield for the World Title. Bowe also knocked out Holyfield in their third fight. Bowe also outlanded Holyfield by a 100 punches (OUTLANDED) in their rematch, and somehow lost a majority decision. No heavyweight champion in history, before or since, has outlanded a "challenger" by 100 punches, never went down, and lost his title on a decision. EVER.

All this nonsense of "take away the Holyfield fights" ... why take them away?

And Bowe fought him three times. Douglas fought Tyson once. Take away three of Buster's best fights and see how he stacks up.

Christ.

And what's all this "Hide staggered Bowe" ... like Douglas didn't get staggered by David Bey, Mike White or Louis Monaco? Bowe didn't lose to Herbie Hide.

Yes, a brain-damaged Bowe struggled with Andrew Golota. How did "damaged" Buster do with Lou Savarese?

Would you rather "struggle" with Tyrell Biggs and stop him or "struggle" with Steffen Tangstad and go to a draw with him?

Seriously, GET OUT of here with this Douglas is better than Bowe garbage.

 

No evidence Bowe was damaged going into the Golota fights. He was widely regarded as the best heavyweight in the world and had just beaten Holyfield. Stop with the excuses

 

Of course there was. Watch the postfight interview with Bowe after the third Holyfield fight and the ESPN postfight coverage where they interviewed him, too. You couldn't understand him. He was slurring all over the place. It was shocking.

And what freaking excuses? Buster Douglas got knocked out by David Bey, Mike White, Louis Monaco, for God's sake.

What utter nonsense.

 

And Douglas beat Tyson for the world title what's your point ?

Holyfield had Hepatitis in the 3rd fight and was seriously lackluster, and probably would've KO'ed Bowe in the 6th round if he was healthy.

Because outside of the Holyfield fights Bowe resume is forgettable just like if you take away Tyson victory for Douglas, there's not much to choose between regarding their secondary wins.

Bowe lost the 2nd Holyfield fight.

And yet Bowe was considered the number 1 Heavyweight in the world, coming off his stoppage win over Holyfield which you give him so much credit for. Yet in his next fight he's totally shot and brain damaged ? got you.

I never said he's better than Bowe stop getting emotional, i said their best wins overall not much separates them. Douglas had a very good spell between 88-90 where he was definitely on par with Bowe, regarding Bowe's opposition when he was defending his title.

 

Douglas boxed as an Amateur until he was 15, then he stopped boxing and played Basketball at University which he was apparently good at it. Up until he stopped and returned to boxing in 1981 to make his professional debut. It took him awhile to grow into the professional ranks as your bringing fights vs Bey when he only had 6 professional fights.