On a scale of 0-10 what chance do you give Rocky Marciano defeating Tyson Fury

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ThatOne, Jul 25, 2023.


What chance

  1. 0

    15.9%
  2. 1

    22.2%
  3. 2

    15.9%
  4. 3

    6.3%
  5. 4

    6.3%
  6. 5

    17.5%
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    4.8%
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    1.6%
  9. 8-9

    0 vote(s)
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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    There's never a situation where two decent HWs fight and one of them is a certainty to win.

    For this reason, we can exclude both 1 and 10.

    Fury would have to be a heavy favourite here (no pun), but best-for-best, I would put Rocky's chances at around a 3.

    That would increase to a four or maybe a five, if we just picked a random date in Fury's career as he was not near as consistent as Rocky...and a substandard Fury could well lose to the best version of Rocky.
     
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano would need a step ladder to hit Fury with an elbow, or anything else for that matter. Now a shot to the crotch is his only chance.
     
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  3. lone star

    lone star Active Member Full Member

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    Can someone please explain to me how in reality someone who is 5-10 with an 68 reach 185 pounds is supposed to even be sanctioned to get in the ring to SPAR with a 6-9 86 reach 260 pound giant who is pretty fluid for a giant. Why not put Sugar Ray Leonard in against Ernie Terrell. Who needs weight divisions anyway.
     
  4. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's a 1ft and 100lb difference here. The size difference is like putting Inoue in against Usyk.

    I just don't see how Marciano could have any chance. Puncher's chance? Not really, not when Fury was able to repeatedly get up from Wilder's best shots. Broken down over time? Not going to happen with Fury's top tier recovery ability. Outboxed? Kind of hard to outbox a guy with a 20in reach advantage. Up close? Good luck dealing with a top tier grappler who has 100lbs on you.

    Marciano is a great fighter, but he's a modern day SMW. The idea of putting him in against Fury is nuts.
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano was ten times the champion Fury is (or was rather, since I don't consider him a champion after his blatant duck of Usyk), but being a slow, methodical pressure fighter against someone with that absurd size advantage who has good foot and head movement and is an expert at leaning on even much bigger fighters than Rocky to wear them down is a stylistic challenge, to put it mildly.

    I love Mikey Garcia, but never gave him a chance against Spence. And Spence had nothing like the size advantage that Fury would have over Marciano.
     
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  6. lone star

    lone star Active Member Full Member

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    I have said in a past post that these sorts of comparisons are what hurts Rocky. If Rocky was around today he would have to find a way to boil down to as stated by Barrf to 168. Even at 175 he has huge disadvantages. His power has been overrated by his own fans. He was great for his time but a top class Super-Middleweight/Light-Heavyweight/Cruiserweight would destroy Rocky’s legacy in a mythical fight. At Heavyweight be honest. If you managed him would you put him in against the modern giants who would potentially hurt him. Just off the top of my head how about the same Bowe who destroyed Gonzales. Or the same Lewis who completely outclassed Grant.
     
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  7. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bob Fitzsimmons prove weight is just a number.
     
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  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Asking "which modern sized class heavyweight" anyone from the past has beaten is shockingly stupid considering the heavy giants became more common in the last 20 years. Some categories changed in the height of the fighters as well in that time.

    Cunningham put a young inexperienced Fury in a knockdown, but that was it. Plus, he was taller than Rocky, also heavier, even not as hard as a hitter, but that helps in other aspects.

    Marciano don't lack fundamentals, that is another mega stupid claim - he lacked speed and finesse in his technique, but he knew very well what to do, why doing it and how to do it. - he was awkward, unorthodox, but presenting him as someone who was winning only because he was some tireless bully shows poor understanding. Add the stamina and the good chin - that turned him into what he was. But the size and weight difference between him and Fury is just too big to overcome, I think even if Rocky was fast on his feet.

    This would be a very twisted fight.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    First off, Fury isn't 6'9". Many photos of him standing next to Wilder or Joshua show that he is a solid 6'7" but no more than that.
    Shockingly, he lies about his height.

    Second, Mike Tyson is 5'10" and has a slightly longer reach than Rocky (71") and is about 25 pounds heavier. Not all that much different I'd say. Mike KO'd some big guys himself.

    I agree it's apples to oranges, however.
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Nope, Fitz's 2 fights with Jeffries proved just the opposite!
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Let's then amend it to which 6 foot three 200lbs,prime, class heavyweights did Marciano fight.
    No Baker, no Valdes ,no Walls.

    The point being.Marciano is unproven against class men of that size who were prime. Marciano lacked accuracy ,and balance to go along with his lack of finesse.
    Stamina ? Who should have more?
    Walcott 38?
    Charles 33?
    Louis 37?
    Moore 39/41
    Or Marciano bang in his prime?
    You called my question " shockingly stupid," this is after first calling me,
    "a well known Marciano hater".
    I could respond in kind,but I'm used to "Rockista's "pulling this **** when you venture to disagree with them ,however mildly you may do so.
     
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  12. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Had Jeffries had a lesser chin, Fitz would of won by knockout. He did give Jeffries a good whipping the 2nd time out.
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

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    We've already seen examples of two decent HWs squaring up and one was certain to win. Do you think there's anything Patterson could do to change his fate if he fought Liston a third time? Rocky wouldn't even be a HW today. Sugar Ray Leonard was a decent welterweight and I would be absolutely 100% certain he'd lose to Artur Beterbiev despite Leonard being faster, having higher ring IQ, better timing, footwork, defense, experience, etc.

    The difference in size between Rocky and Fury is even wider than the difference between Leonard and Beterbiev. It would be a massacre. Like a cape buffalo vs an elephant. I specifically mentioned an in shape and totally focused Fury, not an inactive Fury trying to do WWE matches, not an unmotivated Fury who has to be taken to court to honor rematches, not a morbidly obese 400 pound Fury whose been binging at buffets, or a depressed coke snorting Fury. I would bet every cent I own and my left testicle Fury wins 10/10 prime vs prime. And I HATE Fury. Just calling it like I see it.
     
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  14. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Being 33 you're old? Then Joyce, for example, is ancient. Rocky must have been old himself when he faced Charles because he's two years older.

    But there you go - the usual questioning everything about Marciano, easily forgetting the man started late at an age when most are already proven fighters. He suffered back issues and did a good amount of fights against opponents good enough in just 8 years in times when almost all the fighters were significantly lighter, so not fighting heavy as they are nowadays is not his fault. But assuming he can't deal with some bigger guys because he never fought such is based on the fact he never faced such - so how exactly is that any proof? Do we consider Rocky would not decide to go heavier, like around 90 kilos?

    By the way, claiming Fury is 6'7 when he is obviously taller than people 6'7 is... not smart, let's say, but that's Frank, so...
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

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    No, Fury only proved a zero fundamentals 1 trick pony like Wilder and a gunshy 40 year old Wladmir couldn't stop him. He never faced a skilled boxer puncher or an elite 2-fisted threat.
     
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