Naoya Inoue is the Only Elite Fighter Knocking Out Other Elite Fighters

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  1. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Think about it. No other elite fighters are actually regularly knocking elite fighters out. Not Usyk, not Fury, not Bivol, not Canelo, not not Spence, not Crawford (until Saturday perhaps), not Haney, not Loma, not Tank, not Shakur, not Ioka, not Estrada, well kind of Kenshiro Teraji, but only recently and only at 108. It's really only Inoue knocking out truly elite fighters.
     
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  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I love the concept and appreciate what you are saying but I don't think it's quite correct on two fronts.

    1. I don't think Inoue has really fought elite fighters. Perhaps a level or a level and a half down from that.

    2. If number one is true, then I think it is fair to say that Artur Beterbiev has fought the same level of opponents as Monster and has been knocking them out.
     
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  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you define "elite fighter"? And how do you define "regularly"?

    His only "P4P" ranked opponent I'm aware of is Donaire (Donaire was last P4P ranked 6 years before Inoue fought him the first time in 2019) and he wasn't able to stop Donaire when Donaire was 36-37. A 2014 Donaire had previously been stopped in 6 rounds by Walters, albeit at 126.

    Not to say that "P4P" lists are great metrics but at least it's something.
     
  4. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Which elite fighters has he fought?
     
  5. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    No way, Beterbiev never beat anyone as good as Donaire or Fulton. Barely even Taguchi, maybe. Plus he definitely isn't regularly doing so, he's fought one top 3 boxer in his career. Inoue has fought the #1 guy or the #1 guy aside from himself 4 times. Narvaez, Donaire, Donaire 2, Fulton. He knocked them all out
     
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  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    I would say any fighter that's the best in their division is definitely elite. Narvaez, Fulton, Taguchi would on to become #1, Donaire had been #1 in a couple of divisions and went on to become #2 for awhile after Inoue KOd him, beating title level fighters by knockout before and after fighting Inoue.
     
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  7. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Bro I'm actually from Philly, to call Fulton elite is an extreme stretch, not even his own hood believed in him. Donaire was the only decent scrap and hes halfway towards retirement. :qmeparto:
     
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  8. DramaShow

    DramaShow 19 banned Full Member

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    So you’re saying one of Opetaia, Billam-Smith, Badou Jack, or Goumalirian is elite at cruiserweight?
     
  9. Scotty Cork

    Scotty Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gouloumarian is but hes too inactive
     
  10. ButeTheBeast

    ButeTheBeast Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Inoue has not fought any elite fighters.

    95% of European and American men do not weigh 120 lbs.

    The talent pool in the lower divisions is significantly smaller.
     
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  11. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Why not Opetaia? He beat Briedis. It was a close fight, but Briedis has a very good resume, won a super tournament and pushed it close with Usyk despite being smaller. I watched the fight, Briedis wasn't shot. Opetaia is a good, elite fighter. I don't mean pound for pound top 5 or something, but genuinely elite. I will admit that non-elite fighters have been placed at #1, so I retract my "definitely" remark, but the vast majority of guys #1 in their divisions deserve to be called elite
     
  12. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Fulton beat some of the best guys in his division, including Fig, who has wins over Nery and Magsayo, B tier wins. If Figueroa beats Vargas, he's elite himself, much more the guy who beat him.
     
  13. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like Inoue, he is a real beast, I doubt that anyone can beat him in the near future, he is an unbeatable machine, I will say with certainty that Inoue will be the best ever in the divisions he conquers...
     
  14. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    Worth noting that the Fig win was controversial.
     
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  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Inoue didn't KO Donaire the first time.

    No.1 fighter in the division excluding yourself is a metric, like "P4P" but Inoue has had the advantage of operating in multiple weight divisions, as do his opponents. It's easier to become No.1 or No.2 ranked, perhaps briefly, if you have several weights to choose from at any given time. If you're a career LHW say and you are being avoided by the other big dog, how are you ever going to beat the No.1 fighter aside from yourself? Fighters in the cash-strapped smaller divisions also may not have the luxury of being able to avoid each other as much if they want to get paid.

    It would be equally true to say that Inoue has never KO'd a "P4P" fighter who was P4P ranked in the previous 9 years and even if we include Donaire 2, his total is 1.

    Whatever metric used, we'd need to see how Inoue's numbers stacked up with everyone else's. How many "elite fighters" has Loma stopped, for instance?