Putting Crawford's Domination & Stoppage of Errol Spence Jr. Into Its Proper Perspective.

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes chinny

    Brook KO 65%
    Ugas KO 37% career 140 pounder who came up
    Danny KO 52% career 140 pounder - low KO% at 147
    Mikey KO 71% blown up 135 pounder whose KO% above 135 = zero
    Peterson KO 41% career 140 pounder
    Algieri KO 31% - career 140 pounder
    Bundu KO 32%
    Van Heerden KO 36%
    Ocampo KO 60% even Spence admitted Ocampo had no power
    Lo Greco KO 47%
    Porter KO 47%

    He'd been hurt multiple times by light to average punchers, so much so he's had to spit out his mouthpiece like 4 times IIRC to buy time ton recover. Ugas hurt him badly with a nothing shot FFS

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    Now imagine him in against a legit banger his size or god forbid a KO artist with one shot power his size? Crawford is a natural 147 pounder and a big puncher but he's not a devastating puncher or a one punch guy. Super Boots would ice Spence in a couple of rounds and imagine what a same size Inoue, Beterbiev or even a Dosser if he landed would do to Spence if they caught him flush.

    I've already explained in depth why his lofty P4P ranking was totally unwarranted and yes even the so called experts, many of whom are his countrymen, were blinded by the smoke and mirrors, their own bias, or are completely clueless.

    Very good fighter, top 2 147 pounder, arguable P4P top 10, yes but top P4P 5 no goddamn way in hell and he never was.
     
  2. columbo

    columbo Member Full Member

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    funny, before the fight, a lot of sports outlets were saying the winner of last night's fight would be pound for pound best.
    meaning not one of those talking heads indicated spence was over rated.
    i personally like spence's style. i like the way he fights. i thought he would squeeze out a victory due to his size, pressure fighting, and heart. i still think he is all those things. sadly he met with an outstanding boxer who never let up on the gas pedal once the bell sounded. that's boxing sometimes.
     
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  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    120 - 108, 120 -107, 120 - 108.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Bud is in quite the unenviable position in that respect. There's no one currently active at either 147 or 154 that will truly enhance his legacy. The man has truly terrible timing. Sure those three probably are the best names available. But that is genuinely an indictment of how repulsively weak these divisions have become. At this point, other than old ass GGG. Even 160 is a bit of a wasteland.
     
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  5. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess I wanted Spence to be something that he is not (A Mike Mccalum, GGG, Hagler type of fighter) I guess he is not that. I wasn't surprised that Crawford could win a decision but I did not expect this type of domination.
     
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  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    You didnt have to be Cuasimodo to foresee that once Crawford beat Spence's ass, all of a sudden, Spence would become "nobody".

    It will be a gradual process. This post here, that post there, and in a year..... "Who has Crawford fought? he's fought no one".

    Spence IS a real talent, an incredible fighter that nobody in the division apart from Crawford would beat.

    The problem is that Crawford is something different. This guy's talent is just incredible with ridiculous IQ on top of that.
     
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  7. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    Fantastic post that pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. I would have added some sarcastic jokes about how Spence fights right out of a "Big Guy Boxing 4 Dummies" book but why bother being insulting? He is a (very) good welterweight with obvious flaws that happened to play right into Crawford's strengths (slight chinny-ness that has been greatly exacerbated by undisciplined lifestyle and detached retinas being chief among them), who also had the additional benefit of competing in a weak welterweight division of career 140 lbs-ers moving up and 154-lbs feather fists moving down; hell Crawford is technically a 140 lbs-er moving up! He was overrated by the media's need for the next great rivalry in a marquee division, and he benefited from it tremendously. But at no point was he one of the ten best fighters in the world regardless of weight. Kenshiro Teraji has a better claim to pound-for-pound status than Spence!
     
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  8. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not true. Even before this fight many are already mentioning that Spence is a hype job. He is good but not elite at anything. He only fought two real 147 fighters and struggled against them.
     
  9. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Not a single guy in this forum metioned before the fight that Spence was a hype job.

    Not a single one. None.

    Today, people like you bring that issue to the table without being ashamed at all.

    As I said, it's only matter of time. "Low oposition, dude!!! Spence!! who the **** is Spence?? No body...."

    Boxing fans are like that. Mayweather syndrome, Crawford is so good that there is no opponent good enough for him, no matter how many divisions he unifies. The truth is that he is one of the most amazing fighters that you want watch fighting, and a completely unique (not a single fighter similar to him) talent.
     
  10. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I saw people here mentioned that regarding Spence. I saw that being mentioned regarding Spence on other forums as well
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Ummmm.... actually.
     
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  12. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I've spent 2 weeks arguing nonstop about this fight here and I havent read a single comment saying that Spence was a hype job. NONE.

    Actually, until I stopped commenting one week ago because I havent had internet, the one critizicing Spence the most here was me. And I would never ever ever ever ever say that Spence is a hype job.

    Not a single welter can beat Spence apart from Crawford. No way in hell that's the definition of a hype job.
     
  13. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I didnt read those comments or I dont remember to read them.

    If you wrote those comments, then you are wrong. And no, Spence brutally losing to crawford doesnt make you right.

    How many welterweights would have won to Spence yesterday? the answer is NONE. Quite a curious hypejob who beats everybody in the division but Crawford.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    That has more to do with Welterweight being a shitheap of a division than the "greatness" of Spence. And I disagree.... a healthy Vergil Ortiz, Jaron Ennis and Stanionis would've most likely beaten Spence from last night. Maybe even Butaev.
     
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  15. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Vergil hasnt proved anything, Ennis has proved even less, and Stanioins IS a hypejob who would have been beaten to a pulp by Ortiz had Ortiz managed to get into the ring.
    Spence eat all of them alive. Maybe, MAYBE, Ortiz and Ennis after 3-4 years or so could win that fight. Maybe. But today? Spence takes them for breakfast. None of them have seen anything not even remotely similar to Spence in a ring, they probably think that things like that do not exist.
     
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