Harder puncher at 160 - Jones or GGG?

BlackCloud · Oct 14, 2020

These Golovkin lot have overtaken the
Marciano can club for sensitivity.
Grown men , supposedly.

dinovelvet · Oct 14, 2020

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Seriously - your display of stupidity here is shocking even me. It's like you're having a discussion with someone else and replying to the wrong post. Either that, or you are just completely incapable of comprehending a simple point, which was posted to highlight your duplicity.

What part of: "
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Some of your thoughts on KO%...

Sure, you mention some other criteria which, like your reliance on KO%, goes unchecked against context and might be cherry-picked and/or nonsensical and/or subjectively interpreted - whatever suits your cause, really. So, put another way, your case is usually open to challenge.

However, it does seem to me that you rely very heavily on Boxrec's KO% for comparing and judging a boxers' punch power.

Duran's KO ratio at 160 and above was only 32%.

By your own standards, that's a low percentage and, therefore, would indicate that Duran's punch power was not particularly instrumental in his winning bouts at that poundage. And, this is no surprise, since he was a career lightweight, then fighting 5 divisions higher, at an advanced age.

But wait...

...The 'testimony' of Paz suddenly becomes ultra relevant because it supports your way of thinking and, thus, it is unquestionably true for you. This, despite the fact that Paz was never bounced around the ring by anyone else like he was by Jones Jr, who made it look easy; despite the fact that Duran was 43 years old on the two occasions he fought Paz and, despite the fact Duran wasn't stopping a lot of opponents, and not surprisingly, at this late stage of his career, at the weight he was then competing.

Skip to 2:38 and tell me there's no "impactful force" from the punches landed by Jones Jr, here...

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It's quite discernible, even on a poor quality video. As tough as Paz was, he'd also been humiliated.

RJJ's speed will almost invariably be the first aspect that people recall about him. But this line of thinking, which treats his speed as being separate from his power is kinda ridiculous. Jones had both, with one facilitating the other.

It's precisely why he has the more impressive stoppages on film.

As for me being a RJJ Fanboy, you can ask either @Loudon or @JohnThomas1 about my thoughts on Jones Jr, when discussed in other contexts, such as overall greatness, weaknesses against other greats etc etc. The last thing I could be accused of is being a Roy Jones Jr Fanboy.

The accusation of fanboyism coming from you, the board's biggest fanboy is... ...well, nothing short of priceless; the starkest example of your capacity for projection.

And, by the way - I've not so much as hinted that Duran hit harder than Golovkin - LOL. To imply otherwise, as you have done, smells of desperate deceit, on your part.

YOU brought those words into the exchange - probably because YOU were either too dense to understand the point I made in the first place or just chose to ignore the point and then obfuscate, as you so often do when your BS is called out.

You really don't know what you're talking about. You rarely do.
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PFPIsAMyth · Aug 2, 2023

Jones having faster hands just means he does indeed hit harder as he's generating more force via acceleration, so he's the harder puncher

Bokaj · Aug 2, 2023

Jones didn't meet much worthwhile opp at 160 (Hopkins and Tate), so looking solely at that weight doesn't give a great sample. But how well he carried his power up to 168 and 175 must reasonably reflect on his power at 160.

He blasted guys like Malinga, Sosa, Griffin, Hill among others in an awe inspiring manner. GGG had nothing like that even at 160. Speed was a good part of Roy's KOs, to be fair.

Dynamicpuncher · Aug 2, 2023

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Jones didn't meet much worthwhile opp at 160 (Hopkins and Tate), so looking solely at that weight doesn't give a great sample. But how well he carried his power up to 168 and 175 must reasonably reflect on his power at 160.

How he blasted guys like Malinga, Sosa, Griffin , Hill among others was awe inspiring. GGG had nothing like that even at 169. Speed was a good part of Roy's KOs as well, to be fair.
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It's worth noting Tate went the distance with Julian Jackson in a very tough fight , and only last 2 rounds with Jones. Which is a feather in the cap for Jones regarding his power.

Big Red · Aug 2, 2023

PFPIsAMyth said: ↑

Jones having faster hands just means he does indeed hit harder as he's generating more force via acceleration, so he's the harder puncher
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There’s more to punching power than speed. Speed helps a lot but Ali was not a great power puncher and Forman was.

Speed can help you get kos because you hit opponents with punches they don’t know are coming. Something that happened for Jones a lot more than GGG.

Bokaj · Aug 2, 2023

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It's worth noting Tate went the distance with Julian Jackson in a very tough fight , and only last 2 rounds with Jones. Which is a feather in the cap for Jones regarding his power.
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Yeah, Jones was devastating in that one.

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Harder puncher at 160 - Jones or GGG?

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