Tank Davis and the issues with PBC's approach to building stars

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  1. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Premier Bum Club notably includes Deontay, Tank, Spence, Thurman, Haney, Charlos. Holding titles to ransom and only accepting mismatches, is the reason boxing is shot to ****. Taking Floyd's shenanigans and multiplying by 100.
     
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  2. Manfred

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    You talking about money generated instead of quality of the fighter. At any rate I will address that. While Tank did his biggest numbers with Garcia, Garcia did his only number with Tank. It wasn't one fighter alone but the combination of them fighting that drew the crowds. Tank proved that he can draw at least 275, 000 on his own. Garcia hasn't proved that. They won't even risk a PPV with Garcia on his own because the draw won't be squat.
     
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  3. Farl Crampton

    Farl Crampton New Member Full Member

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    I said that I didn't fanboy about Crawford after his win against Spence, I haven't forgotten about the past just because he's finally gotten that career-defining win. He deserves some criticism for initially re-signing with Top Rank since it delayed him from facing the best opposition at 147 (PBC and the other welterweights obviously deserve the rest of the criticism for not making the fights happen until recently). Bud still tried to take on the toughest opposition available at 140 and 147 and we can't say the same for Tank at 130 and 135.

    LSC was obviously too small for Tank, the guy started out at bantamweight, has a smaller frame despite being the taller guy, and would have needed to be a generational talent to be competitive against Tank at 130. Tank has a big frame and has had issues with making the weight for 130 in the past.

    Barrios is a B-level guy at 140. There's nothing wrong with being a B-level guy, but you're trying to tell me he was a champion at the time when Josh Taylor had just become undisputed? He arguably lost against Akhmedov.

    Beating Cruz, Ryan Garcia, Rolly, and Gamboa is not particularly impressive given the circumstances of those wins and as has been said many times before, the Pedraza win is his only legitimate win against a reigning world champion. Hector Garcia is the only other high-level boxer that Tank has faced since then where there wasn't a significant age/weight mismatch, and even then Tank had to drag him up one weight class. Tank is obviously talented but he's faced atrocious competition for a fighter being billed as one of the biggest stars in boxing and he hasn't proved that he can cut it against top-level opposition. We all want to see those tough fights happen and he's likely to win at least some of them, but all of this is hypothetical because of the way he's been managed.
     
  4. Manfred

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    I know exactly what Crawford was doing but this ain't about that. This is about people hating on Crawford when he was doing that and saying that he hadn't fought nobody and all the rest of that BS. It's the same thing they are saying about Tank. It was a lie when they were saying it about Crawford and it's a lie when they are saying it about Tank. Tank don't have to be a champion (although he is the regular champion) He is a championship quality fighter.I place no fighter at 135 above him. Him and Stevenson could go either way. People was saying the same about Crawford because he had one belt and he took it from Jeff Horn. They was saying he ain't did nothing at 147 and 140 was a weak division. The usual knucklehead yak. Now, all these so-called boxing analysts is riding his jock like they been calling it that way all the time. They doing the same thing with Tank but he will prove them wrong as well. You one of them cause you talking the same yak. You didn't even read my post because I addressed that BS you just wrote in there. Instead of commenting on what I wrote you came with the same canned response.
     
  5. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This was Garcias first ppv. Tanks had at least 5. It’s clear who ramped up the numbers. Garcias first ppv did over 1 mil. Every fight that has done big numbers needs 2 names. We have all known that. Tank proving he can draw 275 on his own is basic numbers. Most fighters for the last 25 years have done that, but an entire fan base wants to act like those are great numbers. They’re not. If you want to talk the quality of the fighter, it gets worse for Tank. The quality of his opposition is booty juice. Especially with the guys he has around him to fight. At this point he’s wasted opportunities to become truly great. He definitely has the potential. But in reality, his career is trash.
     
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  6. Manfred

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    Think!!! You are saying the same things. Instead of accessing on what he does and how he does it, you come with same old canned responses. You saying those gents weren't nothing but you fail to realize that that's how they got treated by Tank. Did you read my post? If Barrio's was a B level champion then so was Josh Taylor. You trying to pick and choose who you gon call a B level fighter to your narrative. Barrios was a decent champion. No matter what you say, Tank is a legitimate monster in that ring and every fighter at 135 knows it.
     
  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Nah I called Spence a basic ***** years ago
     
  8. Manfred

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    The only way he got that PPV was because of Tank. He won't get another one. Those were good numbers by Tank. If they were not, then the powers that be wouldn't keep giving him the PPV's. If it don't make money, it don't make sense. IF you say Garcia is pulling in all the numbers, then why hasn't he had another PPV fight? I will bet Tank's next fight will be PPV. It's been bigger numbers by Tank, but not by the likes of Garcia. Who's calling out Tank? You just hating without a cause. I expect though.
     
  9. Manfred

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    Huh? You lost me on that. I don't that statement is relevant to what I said.
     
  10. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Wrong thread I don't know how I ended up here my bad
     
  11. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    buddy you can only fight the guys available to you, ppl crap on bud resume but those were the best guys in his division and Bud had accolades to back it up..
    Tank IS NOT fighting the best guys in his division and don’t got no type of accolades besides winning fake JV titles while avoiding the REAL CHAMP.
    And no I didn’t read yo post because it’s fill of crap. Barrios was barely top 10, Cruz, Rollie, Ryan wasn’t top 10 at all, Leo was a guy 2 weight classes smaller it’s weight divisions not height divisions. Bud and his fans actually had something to stand on like being Lineal at 135 or Undisputed at 140.. Tank is a chump that’s been running from the best guys his entire career. Putting tank and bud in the same convo is a insult to what Crawford has accomplished.. Tank don’t even have a win as good as a washed up Amir khan homie and his fans are embarrassing
     
  12. Farl Crampton

    Farl Crampton New Member Full Member

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    Yes, Tank is a high level fighter who is very skilled at finding openings and taking advantage of them. Everybody at 135 does know it. His skill doesn't excuse the level of competition that he's faced so far. We can assess his opponents based off their performances in other fights: Barrios arguably lost against Akhmedov, Ryan Garcia relies too much on the left hook + has horrible footwork and defense, Isaac Cruz was one-dimensional against Cabrera... For Barrios, he was never a legitimate champion to begin with. A WBA Regular belt is not a legitimate world title. If you're trying to say that Barrios was on the same level as Josh Taylor at the time and that they were both B level fighters of the same caliber, then there's no point discussing this with you.

    Tank is clearly on a different level compared to these B-level fighters and has gotten plenty of impressive KOs, so we want to see him take on the top level of opposition, not guys like Rolly, an inexperienced social media star, or smaller boxers like LSC, an old Gamboa, and Hector Garcia. Hell, I'd take a fight with Frank Martin at this point if we're only talking lightweights signed with PBC. He should win and it'd be a step in the right direction. Matias is a much better fight if we're including all boxers who fight on Showtime.
     
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  13. Manfred

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    Who's calling him out? GTFOH. You ain't reading my post and that's why you coming back with these dumb ass responses. You riding on Bud's jock but you fail to realize that he was doing all that and people were still saying that he hadn't done nothing in boxing. Duh. The same people is saying about Tank, including you and I wouldn't doubt it if you were saying the same thing about Bud untill he beat Spence. Your problem is that you are not rating Tanks skills and how he handles himself, you rating his opponents but if you had any sense you would realize that Tanks opponents stack up just like Crawfords at 147 before the Spence fight. Not too much difference in talent. Compare thier opponents records and line them up. Not that much difference.
     
  14. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lomachenko been calling that man out since 2016, Haney been calling him out since 2019, shakur calling him out, Teo was calling him out Tank has ducked and stalled out his entire division multiple times.. FOH tell that boy Tank find his nuts and fight somebody
     
  15. Manfred

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    Alright then, I can understand that and it makes sense. I think that Tank should have got the shot at Haney and Stevenson should have to fight DeLos Santos or Frank Martin and the winner of that gets the shot at the winner of Haney vs Tank. However we both know that ain't happening. Won't speculate on why Haney went to 140 but I think that he might be in a little trouble.