How to score a double knockdown?

• If a boxer is knocked down or hurt enough to prompt a standing count from the referee, that fighter loses a point. So, if a boxer dominates a round, controlling and landing better punches throughout and also knocks their opponent down, the end result is a 10-8 round.
• If both fighters score a knockdown in the same round, the deductions 'cancel each other out (so it would probably still be a 10-9 round in favour of the better boxer)

 

That apparently was dodgy as all hell. The ref was Jack Welch. IIRC, Rivers landed first with a legit punch to the chin. Wolgast, on his way down, landed a foul shot on Rivers which started him toward the canvas.

If that wasn’t the sequence, then they basically landed on each other at the same time. Anyway. Wolgaat somehow ends up on top of Rivers and the ref “decides” to lift Wolgast up and count Rivers out.

 

Actually the guidelines state "the winner of the round is awarded 10 points".

There is the a whole host of guidelines on how to deal with scoring knockdowns under various different scenarios, none contradict the winner of the round being awarded 10 points - https://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/pro-judges-general-rules.pdf

 

No. The point deduction- to make a round 10-8 instead of 10-9- is not automatic, it is customary. The rule is that the winner of the round gets 10 points, the loser 9 or less.

 

That’s interesting. If I had to have guessed I would’ve thought they’d apply the deduction as a relative absolute - meaning if fighter A would’ve otherwise won the round 10-9 but the point deduction sees him pull up “even”, they might score it 10-10, maintaining the “must” concept.

So, it seems, deductions can potentially provide for the only exception where neither fighter receives 10 points. . So, in the case of point deductions, The Yoda 10 point “you must not”system clause, might apply?

 

Actually, I just realised I'd misinterpreted the guideline I'd gone to the trouble of quoting (I think).

In Saintpats scenario where Fighter A wins the round and has a point deducted, reading the guideline I'd quoted more carefully, I think they would be awarded the round 10-9 and have 1 point deducted from their total score for the fight. I've edited the post you quoted accordingly. Apologies for the mislead.

 

Yes. I didn’t realise that was how the deduction was marked up in practice. In my own scorecards, I just factor the deduction into my round score (usually with an explanation in brackets e.g. point deduction for Fighter A). The overall tally works out the same as they do it officially, it’s just marked up differently in the round score. But I’m only judging for fun so there are no repercussions!

 

To be clear Im not debating the scoring of a double knockout using the 10 point must system. I believe Jel settled this already, thx btw.

What I'm saying is the whole idea contradicts each other and here is why.

When you look at the scorecards at the end of the round its pretty easy to see how many rounds were 10/9 or 10/8 and for who. Now this could also be for point deduction's but for the sake of my point we are only talking knockdowns.

So for example if two fighters have 3 knockdowns apiece total of 6 and each time they are in the same round but 3 different rounds. Well now you have 3 rounds scoring 10/9. For someone who didn't watch the fight they will assume this rounds were won by out performance and know nothing about the 6 knockdowns because "They cancel each other out"?

Now if it read instead 9/9 even or 9/8 9/7 when looking at the scorecard's every knockdown would be acknowledged and credited as it should be imo.
Imagine a fighter working the head and body for 9 rounds and gets a knockdown. He put in all the work and got the result he was looking for. Then suddenly that fighter gets clipped and his glove grazes the canvas..so now his knockdown is reversed like it never existed ?
And now this will be recorded as the official scorecards into history?

 

A round scored 10/9 is a no knockdown round. The idea behind the double ko round contradicts this.

 

Thanks Greg and of course, no apology required. This was terrific information share and a lot of us come out the wiser, myself included. I’ll also add that many guidelines are clumsily written, leaving some things open to interpretation when they could’ve just as easily have been written/expressed more definitively.

 

Watch Rocky II (1979) and pretend that you are Rocky Balboa and your buddy is Apollo Creed.

 

so with deductions it's 10-9 for the more dominant/better boxer of the round, if the better boxer scores a knockdown they are 10-8, if the other boxer then scores a knockdown it is 9-9, or back to 10-9 without deductions

but that's confusing because if it's 10-9 without deductions how is the more dominant boxer scored if they get the first knockdown, it has to be 10-8, and if the other boxer scores the first knockdown it would make it 10-10 and then 10-9 for the more dominant boxer with their knockdown

so there has to be deductions

 

The 10 point must system has its flaws, for sure but I think there’s a degree of leeway and applying common sense too.

For example, it is not completely mandatory to score a round 10-8 to a fighter who has scored a knockdown as it depends on how the rest of the action unfolded.

The only really mandatory thing is that a judge should score a round 10 for at least one of the boxers. As has become clear in the course of this thread, a point deduction comes off the overall total of the boxer who lie penalised for the infraction rather than off the total for that roundi (in keeping with the ‘10 point must’ idea).

The rest of it is somewhat subjective and the rules in place are there to offer clear guidance rather than be used as a stick to beat a judge with and subjectivity still plays a major part in scoring, regardless of the points system.

 

Here is a scenario for you which I’d be interested to see your views on scoring it:

Fighter A batters Figter B from pillar to post for 2 minutes 45 seconds of the round but does not score a knockdown. There is no standing right count in effect.

As the round is winding down Fighter B catches Fighter A and scores a flash knockdown. Fighter A is genuinely knocked down but is unhurt and gets back up immediately. The ref picks up the mandatory 8 count with Fighter B ready to continue. The round ends.

How do you score the round and what’s your rationale?

 

without deductions, 10-9 for A dominating the round, a point for B surviving and scoring a knockdown, so 10-10

in regards to the OP, what if A then scored a knockdown before the round ended, do the knockdowns cancel each other out and it's still 10-9 for the better boxer A

but if a point was deducted from A for getting knocked down it would be 10-9 for B

and if A scored the only knockdown how could it still only be 10-9