Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Robert Gabriel Helenius

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Aug 7, 2023.


AJ or The Nordic Nightmare?

Poll closed Aug 12, 2023.
  1. Joshua on points

    7.9%
  2. Joshua by stoppage

    74.6%
  3. Draw

    3.5%
  4. Helenius on points

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Helenius by stoppage

    14.0%
  1. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder KO'ed him in the first. That's what will happen here, too. AJ needs a comparable result for negotiating purposes and I'm sure Robert will gladly do what is asked of him.
     
  2. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ofcourse, but Fury offered AJ the fight before they both had an opponent. Hearn rather wanted to play it safe and go for the Wilder fight later. On the upside I would rather watch AJ - Wilder then AJ - Fury. Lets hope they get it over the line.
     
  3. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    I doubt it. Joshua is not as explosive as Wlder is, it goes past the 1st round easily.
     
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  4. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're making the mistake of actually analyzing this as a competitive fight. It isn't. The goal of Saturday's fight is simply to build hype for an AJ v. Wilder fight. That works best if AJ produces a similar result to Wilder and I think there likely a "simpactico" between AJ/Hearn/Helenius that assures this result.
     
  5. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    I never said it was competitive, I'm saying Joshua isn't as explosive as Wilder and tends to sit back and look for openings. Helenius if given the opportunity can make this interesting for a few rounds. Joshua TKO4
     
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  6. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whyte has the same chance as Helenius of beating AJ, which is about 5%. Whyte-AJ II was a joke of a fight as well, don't get it twisted.
     
  7. Curlew

    Curlew Active Member Full Member

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    Warming to this a bit having seen the promo poster. Could be a fun heavyweight extravaganza, with very little really at stake and some solid if unspectacular boxers going at it outwith the misty realm of PPV (it was a smart move cancelling the PPV). I expect the main event to be a damp squib but Chisora-Washington might be a decent scrap if you watch through squinted eyes, it'll be good to see Hrgovic, who I rather like, and I quite like watching Johnny Fisher too. I can't remember if I still have DAZN but if I do I'll give this a watch.
     
  8. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Nor great but at least it's not PPV and unlike Tiresome Fury's opponent at least Helenius has actually boxed before.
     
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  9. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whyte might be past his best - but so is AJ. Both of them are still levels better than this punch-drunk Scandanavian.
     
  10. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But I don't think Helenius is getting an opportunity. I think he's getting a quick payday to lie down. While I'd stop just short of saying Helenius took a dive against Wilder, I do think he came to lie down. Same thing will happen on Saturday. Why bring in Helenius unless you wanted a direct comparison of AJ's performance vs. Wilder's?
     
  11. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whyte was never beating AJ, he was going to sleep the same as Helenius. And Whyte isn't levels better than Helenius, when they fought Whyte won a decision after Helenius took the fight on one weeks notice. If he was way better than Helenius, he should have KO'd him early.
     
  12. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They already have common opponents.
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can get 7/1 on a Joshua KO in the first two rounds. If it's obvious Helenius will lie down in round 1, that's unbelievable value.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Where is that 7/1 action?
     
  15. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm taking Helenius to win in rounds 1-3 at +10000 each and U5.5 round (-110) . I'll have to do some creative betting to turn a profit but I fully expect AJ to KO him before the 6th round. However, I can't pass up on 100-1 on Helenius to pull off the upset early. If it happens, it'll happen early. And if it doesn't, the U5.5 will still cover the bets.

    IB is correct, the problem with Helenius is he is slow. AJ really shouldn't have any issues. Even FatBoy Ruiz has very quick hands, although I bet he punches not as hard as Helenius. They do have a common opponent in Liakovich. Helenius stopped a better version in nine rounds while a shot one went the distance with Ruiz.

    Still, AJ might want to outdo Wilder and walk into something from Helenius and regardless Helenius I think has at least a 5% shot at pulling the upset. But the longer it goes, the more AJ either just shuts him out or knocks him out once his stamina fails him.
     
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