Let's End This Debate: Was Spence 100% or Was Crawford Just Superior In Everyway?

Explain how you know Ugas was the last fight Spence could make weight safely. Give examples. Explain what you saw diffrent in Spence after the accident that makes you believe Spence's punch resistance was gone or he wasn't the same. For example, round 2 in the Ugas fight Spence wasn't able to do this or that. And please, don't come back with Spence was staggered by Ugas. Spence clearly explained what was going on.

As far as me lying, I never said Spence was 100%. I just asked what did the accident or draining have to do with a poor strategy and poor defense. No plan B. Nobody has yet given an answer.

 

So basically, you're a delusional individual. Respect for admitting it.

 

Watch the respective ring walks for both.

Ugas fight = fit, rounder face, energetic, dominant

Crawford fight = gaunt, weird eyes, lethargic, got smoked and disfigured along the way

Don't be a brain dead simp.

 

I was under the impression that Spence was the more fundamental out of the two, but actually when you look at the basics, the jab and defense, Crawford won those battles. That was surprising for me. Crawfords jab was doing real damage and Spences guard was non existent. He Couldn't keep his lead hand up and Crawford made him pay.

I dont know if that had anything to do with weight cut as keeping your lead hand up is pretty much page one in the manual.

Credit to Crawford not sure why his win needs to be over analysed tbh.

 

Funny how you didn't buy Spence's eye injury when he was supposed to fight your old man crush pac and claimed he ducked pac but now are full of excuses when it suits your agenda. You're too easy to figure out.

 

And now those same deplorable cheerleaders are making rounds of excuses that only AFFIRM Spence DUCKED.

Spence was dehydrated? How is that Crawford's fault...hell Bud mightve been dehydrated too.

Spence was injured or had a TBI? Why did Spence DUCK Crawford for YEARS?!??!?!

That wasnt the same Spence? ...YDKSAB...damn cheerleading girl

 

That doesn't prove ****, it's your agenda driven opinion dummy. You don't know anything this video proves nothing same old Spence excuse maker.

 

Even if you posted two of the ring walks side by side, these guys would still be in denial

 

My error - regardless, you haven't countered the argument you have just said words.

No matter how much evidence we shove in your face, you can't accept that the Spence Crawford beat was a shell of his former self. There's no point even presenting a case to you, because you are so set in wanting to credit Crawford for absolutely no valid reason whatsoever. Child mentality to praise and give undue credit to a fighter regardless of the context

 

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Not sure what exactly you are referring to - but, Spence clearly hurt in this clip, if those ropes were not there that is a straight up knockdown. Spence got essentially dropped by a feather fist (Ugas - 32 fights, 12 KO). I've never thought Spence had a good chin, but he took some shots here and there from a big puncher in Brook... but then gets dropped by Ugas.

Being weight drained is going to affect punch resilience, this is what we saw here. Spence has been drained for a while, and alongside the inactivity (1 fight in 28 months) , this caught up to him when fighting against a sharper fighter like Crawford.

 

Eye injury was fake.

Car crash and weight draining was real.

 

Spence wasn’t great even before the crash though. He was a built up champion in a weak division.

 

Maybe both things are true ?

 

This all comes down what your perception of Spence was. The American media was telling us Spence was an elite generational talent capable of hanging with historically great Welterweights. If you believe that then yes, you would be very surprised at this fight's outcome. But for us who never believed it the outcome was not surprising.

 

Floyd took years long breaks often too. Training takes a toll on bodies and time off is invaluable. Different styles need longer breaks and typically the styles that need activity are the boxer/timing styles. The styles that fare better with time off tend to be the physically imposing styles...ya know...like Errol Spence Jr.

So what if Ugas clocked Spence? Mean Machine hurt Crawford and Gamboa hurt Crawford...Bud went on to dominate and stop them...just like Spence did to Ugas.

Floyd was hurt by Mosley (WAY WORSE than either Spence or Crawford was ever hurt) and he displayed elite recovery - just like Spence and Bud - and dominated rest of the way. That's what a champion does.

This goes for any weight class and any fighter too...wtf?

Fury was KD by Wilder plenty of times and got up and brutalized him each time.

SRL was down against Howard and came back to win TKO

Haney, Loma, Donaire, Inoue, Ali, Ward, Calzaghe, Sergio, Pavlik, BHop, etc...

I mean what are you even talking about? Every fighter gets hurt from time to time - theyre getting punched by professionals. True champs find a way to win and both Spence and Crawford have done that in the past.

And Pacman DOMINATED Thurman. Scores had the Haymon touch on them, big surprise. Just like Wilder Fury 1 or Tank Pitbull or Rolly Barrosos or Russell Santiago, etc.

This wasnt a problem when Spence fought Danny Garcia or Ugas. No complaints made there. Only a problem since he fought Bud. Sorry "your man" had difficulty staying in shape and training.

Never seemed to bother ATGs like Floyd or SRL or Pacquiao or the GOAT, SRR.

Again, its also just boxing. When you step up in competition you risk getting buzzed back. Its boxing. And spitting the mouth guard out was briliant...technically against the rules but bought him invaluable time.

Spence didnt look any different. He low blowed Porter about 50 times and went tooth and nail with Shawn before the accident. Prior to Porter he had a competitive fight w Brook and no other important fights.

It wasnt ME who crowned Spence. That was YOU and your deplorable cheerleading fanbase. Why Spence was an ATG for beating 35 yo Floyd in sparring and then beating Brook and Porter...I just thought he was a decent champion...and it turns out that's all he ever was.

Spence dropped out of the P4P rankings. He showed he was - big surprise - more hype than fighter. Up to that point he was better than everyone he fought though. Given his praise from Floyd it was easy to see how people wanted to quickly crown Errol...but you have to EARN it.

Crawford is literally only male boxer in 4 belt era to be undisputed 2 weight classes. He's beaten undefeated prime versions of Gamboa, Postol, Jean, Mean Machine, and Spence as well as a bunch of good wins in Porter, Brook, Lundy, and Burns.

Keep in mind Crawford couldnt force Thurman or Danny Garcia to fight him since they were intent on ducking.

Crawford has a GREAT resume. At no weight does he have 1 single DUCK. He fought everyone he could and literally has ZERO close fights. He's already an ATG.