the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

The thing I remember most from this fight was how surprisingly inaccurate Hagler was with the left hand. I could be misremembering, but it seemed like he was winging lefts over Mugabi’s head from mid-range all night even though Mugabi wasn’t doing anything to slip or duck them.

Grueling fight for sure.

 

Kennedy McKinney v Welcome Ncita 2

It’s taken me a long while to get round to watching this, which is silly really because I loved their first fight so much.

This wasn’t as good as that one but it was still a really watchable and enjoyable bout. If you enjoy good outboxing and take this fight on its own merits rather than compare it with the first one, this is a treat.

This time around I felt McKinney established a clear edge in the early rounds so the knockdown in the fifth came out of the blue but evened things up. But after that it was pretty much one way traffic. Ncita showed heart, particularly in the final round where he looked out on his feet, but McKinney already had a clear edge and it would have taken a knockout or at least a couple of knockdowns for Ncita to get something from it. The one drawn card seemed overly generous to him but the right man won.

1 10-9
2 9-10 (close. Nip and tuck all the way. I thought Ncita landed the more telling punches)
3 10-9
4 10-9 (Action heating up nicely. Both fighters are keeping up a frenetic pace and boxing beautifully but McKinney is landing the better combos)
5 8-10 (McKinney boxing very well within himself then gets tagged out of nowhere by an Ncita straight right on the chin)
6 10-9
7 9-10 (close)
8 10-9 (good action)
9 10-9 (Ncita’s left eye is properly shut)
10 10-9
11 9-10 (close)
12 10-9 (Ncita on rubbery legs)

McKinney 115-112 Ncita

 

Excellent review! Not 100% sure why I gave Mugabi round 8, I think I was throwing him a bone for effort and perhaps landing the heavier single shots. John started well but as the fight went on he reverted to crude slugger mode.

I watched an interesting documentary on John which said Mickey Duff wanted him to train as if for a 15 rounder for the Hagler fight but John would stop sparring after 9 rounds and lose interest. He also had to be dragged out of bed for road work. While I don't think he would have won if he had trained harder he may have made it to the final bell and not been so dispirited by the KO. The doc talks about John falling into a deep depression after the fight when he should have been capitalising on his excellent showing. He took a long break and then foolishly fought Duane Thomas without having any tune ups. He seemed to be folding his own with Thomas and seemed confident until the possibly thumb injury. However I have to say Duane looked pretty sharp in their fight so no guarantee John would have won anyway.

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Yes I agree, however I don't think Marvin has jabbed as well as in this fight. I wonder if Marv had some injury to his left? He was not the sort of fighter to mention or blame an injury. Maybe his jabbing was to compensate?

 

Difficult to know, but I’d say the Sibson fight was his best jabbing display — not to downplay his jab in this fight but that was a clinic.

 

Manuel Medina v Scott Harrison II (featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Harrison (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Harrison
Round 3: 10-9 Medina
Round 4: 10-9 Harrison
Round 5: 10-9 Medina
Round 6: 10-9 Harrison
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Medina
Round 9: 10-9 Medina
Round 10: 10-7 Harrison (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 11: Harrison drops and stops Medina

Total through 10 completed rounds: 96-92 Harrison (actual scores not known)

To begin, I've never been a fan of the Medina style. Just a lot of taps from my view but he does throw an assortment of them. He gained steam during the bout because - as Glenn McCrory pointed out - "Harrison seems to be hypnotised by what's coming at him." I thought that was quite apt because, at times, Harrison would seem to shutdown when Medina was throwing. Anyways, again, never been a great fan of the Medina style, so I wouldn't be recommending this fight unless it's a bit more palatable to others. One thing I should mention was the Harrison corner. The ref warned these guys for many an assortment of infractions - and he was right - but the Harrison corner always seemed to be taking an extra 10 seconds after the bell would ring for the next round before leaving the ring and sending their man out. I don't think I saw the ref warn them, although he could have. But they were really flaunting their hometown status here.

 

If Medina had gone with “Funky Cold” as his nickname and used this ring walk music, he’d have been a big hit. Not to mention unable to keep the ladies away.

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Jel, this is how I had it.

Kennedy McKinney v Welcome Ncita II

Round 1: 10-9 McKinney
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Ncita
Round 4: 10-9 McKinney
Round 5: 10-8 Ncita (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 McKinney
Round 7: 10-9 McKinney
Round 8: 10-9 McKinney
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 McKinney
Round 11: 10-9 McKinney
Round 12: 10-9 McKinney

Total: 117-112 McKinney (actual scores: 117-110 and 117-111 both for McKinney and a strange 114-114 Even for a majority win for McKinney)

Ncita fought quite differently than the first time. Missing was his bodywork, electing to potshot McKinney instead. Or perhaps with his eye closing he had no other recourse. I felt a comfortable win for McKinney and all seemed to agree except for one judge.

 

Yeah, I think the shut eye likely affected his performance over the second half of the fight. I gave him a couple of close rounds but the momentum was all with McKinney and round 12 could have been a 10-8 but somehow Ncita stayed on his feet despite having no legs left.

 

Jorge Barrios v Joan Guzman (jr. lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Guzman
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Barrios
Round 4: 10-9 Guzman
Round 5: 10-9 Barrios
Round 6: 10-9 Guzman (scored the round Even but Barrios was docked a point for a low blow)
Round 7: 10-9 Guzman
Round 8: 10-9 Barrios
Round 9: 10-9 Barrios
Round 10: 10-9 Guzman
Round 11: 10-9 Guzman
Round 12: 10-9 Barrios

Total: 115-114 Guzman (actual scores: 114-113 Barrios and a 114-113, 115-112 both for Guzman for a split win for Guzman)

This was a damn good fight and the title was on the line for Guzman only as Barrios lost it on the scales. I thought the scores were in line with a good, close fight, but the HBO team seemed to laud Guzman throughout. They did give Barrios credit for being tough, but there were times when Guzman would go into a lull or a counter-punching lull and they would still be extolling the virtues of Guzman only. I thought Barrios took advantage of many of these instances and, although not as pretty as some as Guzman's shots, was throwing punches non-stop. Again, a damn good fight.

 

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Zab Judah

I thought this was Floyd’s fight from the start. I don’t think Judah’s speed bothered Floyd like I hear espoused frequently. I had it even after 4 and even in the 2 rounds that I gave Judah, I felt like Floyd was bothering him to the body setting him up, rather than having difficulty with Zab. Pretty entertaining through 6 I guess but it was pretty much a clinic by Floyd

1 Floyd
2 Zab
3 Floyd
4 Zab
5 Floyd
6 Floyd
7 Floyd
8 Floyd
9 Floyd
10 Floyd
11 Floyd
12 Zab

117-111 Floyd

 

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Victor Ortiz

pretty much another clinic by Floyd, who looked in control from the start and frustrated Ortiz. Ortiz folks with his head, Floyd lands a borderline cheap shot but I found it hard to blame him for retaliating.

Not worth rewatching

 

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Canelo Alvarez

I don’t think Canelo was in his prime here, but he is hardly the green newbie people make him sound like. He threw a lot of good stuff, he just couldn’t penetrate Floyd’s D with any sustained success. Floyd is a much better in fighter than I have giving him credit for in the past. I enjoyed this one, first time since I watched it live.

1 Floyd
2 Floyd
3 Canelo
4 Floyd
5 Floyd
6 Floyd
7 Floyd
8 Floyd
9 Floyd
10 Floyd
11 Canelo
12 Canelo

117-111 Floyd

This is a good performance by Floyd against a top notch fighter.

edit 11-12 were Canelo rounds

 

@PhillyPhan69 great seeing you back in action, my man.