Harder puncher, Mike Tyson or George Foreman?

Speed equals power. It's simple maths. But size equals speed, as more mass equals faster trajectory in motion and therefore by the models we have looked at in major physics circles with all the latest technology, George Foreman is both the harder puncher and the faster puncher. All hard punchers are potentiated in size which equals force which equals speed and is multiplied by reality and gravity by a power of two fold and eleven cubits. Foreman is the harder puncher, goodbye.

 

Foreman and everybody back in the 70's was on gear.

 

That is absolutely untrue. Not even close to fair & accurate!
I have asked for evidence numerous times when folks are mindlessly cynical & irrational.
Listing reasons anyone may use or be deterred from using is random, general potential motivations.

It would be just as absurd to claim all causes folks will not use, & say again

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Sublime nonsense.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee. For a large part of Foreman's career roids weren't even banned and high level boxers were just expected to take them. This was the same point in the sport where all the mass monsters started taking over the heavyweight division.

 

No that is wrong on several counts.

1) Mass monsters? There was no one point but gradually HWs got bigger.
However look up the averages-you described the 1970's, Ali was bigger than average then & he would be small today (another almost certainly all natural athlete, in appearance AND no rational & just reason to impugn him).

2) You make some unsupported statements absent any evidence.
While steroids were not illegal until the beginning of the 1990's, what is the actual proof that boxers were "expected to take them"?
Give me even some specific, credible sources SAYING that.

Please do not merely repeat premises without concrete evidence.
You are not even supplying suggestive claims to be evaluated by relevent-or any-sources.

And as a long time lifter I can tell you that the size of especially an average 1970's boxer was not at all beyond what most could achieve naturally!

 

Other way round. Tyson's the one with all the documented one punch knockouts.

 

Tyson on the whole was a harder puncher than Foreman, but he needed to put much more effort into his shots due to the way he generated power. Foreman didn't often have to put a lot of effort into a shot for it to still have respectable power, so he was more consistently dangerous over the course of a fight. If you could read Tyson or brace for his aggressive attacks, or just wait for him to tire, there were lulls where he wasn't so dangerous. With Foreman, even a jab could cause you concussive damage, so mentally you needed to brace for a different level of threat.

Tyson could put your lights out in one or two shots. Foreman could wear you down over the course of a fight. If you were a guy with a good chin and good recuperative abilities you could maybe take Foreman the distance when you might get KOed by Tyson. On the other hand, if you were a guy who could stifle Tyson's work or read his attacks you might take him the distance, but get worn down by the constant lower level junk punches Foreman would throw at you over the course of a fight.

 

I think people forget how many of them he really had

 

In terms of mass he was not much bigger at all than Tyson. The 90s fat Foreman was around 255lbs. Some people here have a fantasy version of Foreman in their heads when they talk about him. The youth and stamina of the smaller 70s version and the size and granite chin of the 90s one but such a boxer never existed.

 

I absolutely agree with this.
Except in mass per square inch Tyson had more-because his lower body like Tua was so heavily muscled.

 

Earnie Shavers

 

Foreman ballooned to around 300lbs when he retired between 1977-1987. That was his natural walking around weight when he let himself go. Look at some pictures of him when he was a pastor in his mid-30s. He was a giant

Many fighters can let themselves go but not inflate 30-40% extra in mass.

 

Riddick Bowe ballooned up to over 300lbs after fights because he ate like a pig, im guessing Foreman did too.

 

Foreman comfortably.