David Haye (2009) Vs Anthony Joshua (2019 unbeaten) who wins??

Just from reading this thread I need to go back and watch Haye vs maccarinlli, Haye vs fragomeni and mormeck vs bell. If any of you on here haven’t seen those fights then I suggest you look them up on YouTube and enjoy!

 

Would have been a live fight. In saying that I would favour AJ to win. Haye for me was nowhere as good at HW, as he was at CW. Haye had quick reflexes, that would have caused AJ problems. In saying that I dont think technically Haye was that good defensively. I think AJ's jab would have been key to slowing Haye down. I then think AJ would have stopped him, either directly from a right down the pipe, or that as the catalyst in the stoppage.

 

I remember the Enzo - Haye fight, I remember that knockout where Enzo went down and seemed to pop back up. He destroyed Enzo that night.

 

Fairly or unfairly Mormeck is largely judged on the Wlad fight where he was crushed like a coke can. That played a big role in undermining Haye's cruiser record.

Fragomeni was a 5'9 non-puncher who lost his trilogy with Wlodarczyk pretty badly, among other things. Like Mormeck, going life and death with him wasn't a good look and didn't age well.

Haye never became undisputed at cruiser, didn't fight Cunningham who held the other belt and was a top ranked cruiser (No.1 for a time) for several years overlapping with Haye. Cunningham fought stronger opposition at cruiser and with much greater frequency, often away from home, fought Fury at heavyweight (whereas Haye backed out twice) and repeatedly called Haye out.

Haye's heavyweight record is thin but it's more creditable than his cruiserweight record in my opinion.

 

I disagree but really enjoying all the different opinions, one of the strengths of the forum, lots of very knowledgeable people on here.

 

I see it same way bud hayes record at cruiserweight is no great is it folk say he was a great cruiser he may of been a very good cruiser but great is stretching the truth in my humble view wheres the evidence for that who did he beat he always goes on about mormeck win I mean that says it all does it not a good win maybe a very good win if were pushing it but a great win it never was

 

A fair few cruiserweights could have run Haye's "gauntlet" at 190/200 imo. I think Hunter and Gassiev would have beaten everyone Haye beat at cruiser and without the Thompson loss or getting knocked down three times in total. And I don't think they avoid Cunningham whether they beat him or not.

While Hunter and Gassiev were less vulnerable and arguably braver cruisers than Haye, I don't rate them above the Joshua who beat 41 Wlad, 39 Povetkin and gave Usyk his 2nd closest fight, for obvious reasons.

Haye's rated highly based on what he did at heavyweight: narrowly outpointing Valuev, stopping Ruiz for only the 2nd time in his 55 fight career, losing 10-2 to Wlad and stopping Chisora in 5.

 

At the time Mormeck was the champ and Enzo was ranked lowest at number 3 after beating Braithwaite and at the same time Bell went into into a 2 year hiatus, so was probably ranked number 2 and Haye wiped them both out via ko in simultaneous fights. Steve Cunningham won the vacant IBF against nobody and the general consensus was that if they had boxed next David would have ironed him out too.

You know I’m straight in my replies Jim and I’ll be honest I am mates with David so I am a bit biased, however Cruiserweight was his weight and he is one of the greats along with Holyfield (the goat) and Usyk. Just my opinion though.

 

It was great, however as a huge Haye fan it was similar to when Naz boxed Medina in that until the end it was a stressful night for the hardcore fan as it was in the balance until to the championship rounds and the finish. I thought he would smash him to pieces and had bought tickets for work colleagues directly off Adam Booth who I had met a year or so earlier through my good mate Steve Holdsworth. Adam was always great to me and I met David loads of times training at the 3rd space gym in central London mainly because Adam knew I was a big Haye fan.

I remember this was his first real test and bad cut, but was he was still really friendly when we went to see him in his tiny York Hall dressing room straight after the win. He had been given good props by Sky Sports who covered the fight. They went out celebrating with Cathy Brown and Gary Logan afterwards, but my colleagues had, had enough bloodshed so I had to politely pass and we went for a curry on Holloway Road lol.

 

brilliant write up mate, thank you sincerely for sharing.

 

No worries mate, it’s probably the best time I have had being a fan up close in boxing and even better than all the great fights I’ve been lucky to see in New York including Loma and Crawford because Haye and Booth were so friendly and accessible to me. He wasn’t champion yet and they were on their own path without a major promoter so any loyal fans that they had they looked after I guess, great days.

 

I agree the AJ jab would have been key here.

 

Haye would have beaten Cunningham convincingly in my opinion.

 

your right I think quite a few good cruisers would of gone undefeated against hayes opposition at least haye wasn't boring like Jonny nelson he was bloody boring my god John ruiz was never very good also he was well past it about 6 or 7 years out of the end of his prime he was like an old man and it was still hard work no wonder he picked him to fight

 

fair snuff sonny I respect your opinion you know your boxing youve been about you know boxers you know commentators your a man with knowledge im no going to say I know more than you I just put my arm chair opinion out there to be frank haye is not as stupid as most boxers he speaks well he gives good thought of opinions even if there no right or hes winding folk up I have never been fan of his I do think he ducked fury I think fury would of beat him fury would of not took him lightly like he took Cunningham going in there behaving like an idiot he would of been all business haye would of battered bellew in his prime or even if he was not crippled like he was he would of beat him