Crawford is not on the same level as a Canelo

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    You are bending my words. I never said he was a total puss I rate him highly as a fighter I just think that Crawford is special. Canelo was juiced against GGG and still got his ass beat twice. I think that Postol is a very underrated fighter he gave Josh Taylor one of his career hardest fights after losing to Crawford.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I hate Floyd, PBC repulses me and I'm not fan of Canelo Alvarez. So bark up someone else's tree with this horse****.

    Now, we talk about laughable, what the **** has Spence done in his career to be considered an ATG? Cool it with the ****ing hyperbole, you sound unhinged. His best wins are a controversial SD against Porter and a tenderized by GGG version of Brook. That's barely current Top 10 P4P much less ATG.

    As far as the Lara comparison.... he got screwed in the Williams match, the Alvarez match and the Hurd match. Never been decisively beaten in his career. It's pretty easy to look like a killing machines when facing a laundry list of made to order featherfists, not quite a walk in the park when you're matched tough against multiple stylistic nightmares, and consistently be the B-side almost every time out. If Spence were in Lara's position, he'd have lost to Porter. Spare me with the hype, his true level was finally revealed when he fought a puncher that wasn't a stationary target with terrible footwork.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well... it's easy to look special when you've fought a cavalcade of C level fighters, and the A level fighters, are either handicapped or retirement age and looking to cash out. Postol is so underrated, he was dropped twice and needed a gift to win over virtual nobody Jamshidbek Najmitdinov in his next outing. Yeah, he gave Taylor a tough fight, because Taylor fought his fight like a total idiot. Performing admirably in losing to GGG close twice, I rate a million times higher than beating Ricky Burns and Viktor Postol.:lol:
     
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  4. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    It can be easy to look good but not easy to look special. I have already conceded that Canelo has the better resume. The first fight with GGG was not close IMO it was 8-4 maybe 9-3 for GGG. You were high on Jeff Horn who was a big 147 and Crawford took him apart quite easily. Sometimes the eye test means more than resume. Crawford's two best wins were Spence and Porter and I think he looked great in both of those fights. I think with Crawford he enjoys a dog fight and sometimes that has made him look not as good as he really is but he always gets the job done.
     
  5. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You know something you make some very valid points I always said that Canelo is a special fighter but he has too many questionable decisions but here's my question to you let's say you may Crawford a natural middleweight do you see Crawford beating that version of triple G?
     
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  6. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    That is a good question. I hold GGG in the same regard as Crawford he was a special fighter in his prime. I went back and studied GGG after the Canelo robbery I didn't appreciate him enough in his prime. I think that if anybody could beat Crawford it would be someone like a prime GGG.
     
  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Bivol beat Gingers ass like a red headed step child LOL He deserved more $$$$$$$$$ 60/40 to Bivol
     
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  8. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. Dudes card was pulled. Only a pathetic man like El would support that. Even if the guy was one of your boys most normal dude's would be like "sorry buddy you got your card pulled you should've manned up"
     
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  9. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Plenty had Crawford down you fool
     
  10. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    go watch the fight again......its possible he coulda been down 3-1, i had it 2-2. from 5 on it was all crawford. It wasnt even close.
     
  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    If he really didn't believe me and just thought it was clout chasing why wouldn't he just say yes to a one on one spar and call the bluff instead of adding in stipulations and death threats? LMAO
     
  12. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Alright Chris, I don’t have much of a dog in this fight, but given your extensive boxing knowledge I think you don’t truly believe half of what you just wrote; it’s gotta be more of a “provoke MidniteProwler” thing going on.
    At age 23 Clenelo had already been a pro for 8 years with close to a 40-0 record, so it’s not like he was a cherry when he fought Floyd. Mayweather may have been the #1 PFP fighter but he was incapable of hurting Alvarez. Not only could he not hurt Saul, he provided a massive payday. Of course Alvarez lunged at that one-in-a-billion opportunity.
    Do you know when he didn’t lunge? After he won the lineal middleweight championship from Cotto and blatantly ducked Golovkin for 2 years. Two undefeated men, both with iron chins who’d never been down in a fight, and for all 4 belts and the lineal title on the line in a fight that had hardcore and casual fans alike drooling. And how did “The Face of Boxing” respond? He gave up his WBC belt and said he wasn’t a middleweight; nobody could make him fight someone he didn’t want to and that his body would tell him when he was ready to be a middleweight. It was a b!tch move that made Riddick Bowe look like Captain Courageous when he ducked Lewis. Then to prepare for GGG, he fights Amir Khan…at 155lbs! Then to prove his point he fights Chavez at 163!
    Laying aside the ridiculous “Draw” in the first GGG fight, the subsequent positive PED tests prior to the rematch and bad but not quite as outrageous decision, his fight with Bivol and ensuing humiliation appeared to be a cherry pick gone wrong, similar to Wilder vs Fury 1, rather than a “dare to be great” moment. Between Beterbiev, Joe Smith and Bivol, Dimitry appeared to be the safest bet.
    Clenelo is an overall fine fighter, maybe comparable to Miguel Cotto but with a lesser gas tank and greater chin, but a marketing and hype machine backing him that portray him as a mix between Ali and JCC.
     
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  13. KiwiMan

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    I think GGG has a stylistic edge vs a MW Crawford; to beat a prime GGG you need to be able to take his power even if your skills are top notch, and I don't know if Crawford has the chin for this. That being said I wouldn't be confident either way.

    I think Crawford would have done considerably better against Canelo though, due to the stylistic match-up. He would just frustrate and out box him. The only reason I pick Canelo in that fight is the weight difference.
     
  14. Serge

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    You have to look at the punchers or rather lack thereof Crawford has fought

    And then you have to factor in size and how many his size has he fought

    For example with Spence. Mikey is a big puncher with a 75% rate but his KO% above 135 = 0% and obviously Spence is much naturally bigger than him

    Danny is a pretty big puncher but he's a career 140 and his power at 147 is clearly not the same up at 147 as it was down at 140

    Crawford's opponents

    Klimov
    Postol
    Burns
    Indongo
    Beltran
    Jean
    Lundy
    Horn
    Diaz
    Dulorme
    Khan
    Benavidez
    Porter
    Brook
    Avanesyan
    Molina
    Egis
    Gamboa
    Spence

    Is there a GGG type puncher on there? God no. The vast majority of those are complete featherfists-average power

    I'd say Egis is the biggest puncher out of all of those and one of the few punchers his size he's fought and he dropped him

    Who else is there you could make an argument for in place of him? Brook? Molina? Spence? I don't think you can.

    Brook whilst a good puncher he's not a massive puncher.

    Molina was a big puncher.

    Spence is an accumulation high output guy who wears you down with a steady stream of stiff shots

    But none of those are close to a GGG type puncher nor do they possess his combination of elite level skills and insane toughness and durability.

    And don't forget GGG can cut off the ring like few others, has a superb engine, a great jab, excellent unorthodox combinations and he will hunt you down and find you and land viciously heavy shots with regularity and best believe he would do the same to Crawford. I say hunt you down because trading him is suicide unless you also have a titanium chin and great defence like Clenelo. Avanesyan rocked Crawford with a right over the top and Egis dropped him and neither are fit to shine GGG's spit bucket.

    I can't see how Crawford doesn't get caught at some point and knocked out by a same size GGG and he's not getting GGG out of there or cracking that titanium chin.
     
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  15. steviebruno

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    Having a head hard enough to survive and make it to the cards for gift decisions doesn't catapult Canelo to a different skill level; it just means that he has a ridiculously hard head.

    His hard head didn't bother Floyd, who punched him in the face repeatedly and danced to a 10-2 win.

    Amir Khan took four rounds off of a fresher Canelo, but lacked the IQ/chin to sustain his success.

    If Bud gets himself into a firefight, he gets knocked out... but is that really the discussion being had here? Why would Bud approach the fight in that way?

    I suspect that Bud is better than Trout and Lara. I suspect that he would do much better than Khan, and he wouldn't even need to be as good as Mayweather was to take 7 rounds.

    I only question whether 7 rounds is enough to get a decision against Canelo...