Crawford is not on the same level as a Canelo

Hmmm. Idk.

Crawford is smaller than Canelo but I don't think he'd ever get dominated by the smaller Floyd the way Canelo was.

Canelo was losing 3 to 5 rounds against Caleb Plant not too long ago.

Prime Canelo was having competitive duels with a past it smaller Cotto who was above his best weight and years.

Idk, I don't think this subject is as clear cut as is being attempted to portray.

And also have no reason to believe Canelo does anything but maybe edge a controversial decision, if that, against a Crawford if they were the same size.... like every other fight he's had against top tier opposition.

 

He lost 5-6 rounds against Porter, are you sure about that?

 

Am I sure? Not necessarily.

Do I lean towards believing it? Ya.

Losing 5 rounds to a friend, your age, at their best weight, in a fight you (become the first to ever) stop him in isn't the same as losing 10 (double the amount of) rounds to a smaller, older, fighter, above their best weight, that you lose a lopsided decision to.

Canelo lost more rounds to Floyd than Porter could even stay on his feet in against Crawford.

And Crawford losing 5 rounds to Porter doesn't necessarily tell me he loses 10 rounds to Floyd. Sizes, styles, contexts, ect.
Just like Mayweather losing 4 rounds and actually getting knocked down by Zab Judah (coming off a loss to Carlos baldomir) doesn't tell me he loses 7 rounds to Crawford.

 

Sure, some of it is a provocation and some of it isn't. Not saying everything you said isn't true, Canelo has been a sneaky sleazy little creep with all of the rehydration clauses, rigged scorecards, dragging guys up 2 divisions, the PED's, and waiting for certain opponents to get old. Still, at the end of the day, even with all of that going against him, Canelo has challenged himself far more frequently than Bud Crawford has and taken on countless opponents who were much bigger and presented stylistic issues for him in a way that none of Crawford's opponents have ever come close to and no that's not an indication of Bud's greatness, it's a reflection of how shitty his resume truly is.

 

10 rounds to the P4P best in the world, when you're 23 years old. Sure, as has already been mentioned, he had 40 fights. Yeah, so what... he was still 23 and most of those 40 opponents were Mexican cab drivers, shot has beens and professional journeymen. The only real challenges he'd faced at that point that could prepare him for a fighter like Floyd, were Mosley and Trout, but Trout is a southpaw and Mosley was a much slower shell of what he once was, who never fought like Mayweather to begin with. Again... 23 is still 23, and no matter how many matches you've had in your career to prepare yourself for that style, it's still probably not enough, especially when drained. Seasoned pros like Manny at best won one maybe two more rounds than Canelo, Marquez got 12-0'd, Mosley lost 11-1, Cotto lost 10-2 maybe 9-3. So yeah, Crawford would lose in a similar manner. Please don't put me in the position to where I have to start defending Floyd too.

 

Yeah, Jeff was so big at 147, he barely made weigh against Corcoran and looked like a flailing corpse in the ring against him. For Bud, he missed weight in his first attempt and looked about as healthy as Spence did. Regardless, Horn clearly sucked, and had one great performance in him, and he barely pulled that off. Crawford only enjoys a dogfight when he's losing the fight and needs to bail himself out with a KO, which is quite frequently. He looked subpar against Porter and was losing that match... far from great, and Spence looked like a drowsy Deadite against him. It's pretty easy to look great against someone that badly compromised, who you've always had a stylistic advantage over. And again, losing to GGG in that manner, to me is far more impressive than beating Porter and Spence, because GGG is that much better than both of them.

 

The less heralded (than Canelo) Fernando Vargas fought a much larger and much more dangerous/formidable (and prime) Trinidad at age 22 with only 20 pro fights under his belt and put up more of a versitile display, spirited fight and won more rounds than Canelo did against the older and smaller Mayweather. Age and experience matters, but when the guy you are fighting is both past 35, smaller than you, and above his best weight, I'm not sure that justifies winning one round.

The fights you refer to have nothing to do with how Crawford would do against Floyd. Marquez and Mosley are so unlike Crawford in style and attributes they are practically meaningless. Pac was far past his best and not as formidable a task at that time as a prime Crawford would be for Floyd, due to his decline. I personally don't think it's unrealistic to think Crawford would stop the Pac that Floyd fought. The Pac that was half killed by Marquez 3 years earlier.

JMMs KO of Pac did more damage than Spences car crash. (Kidding).

Cotto (who went on to lose to Trout in his very next fight) won 3 rounds but it was a competitive fight... Crawford brings more danger in his matchup with Floyd than Cotto did. He's bigger than Cotto, has 7 inches longer reach, is a sharper puncher than Cotto was at that point and not to be overlooked Bud would almost certainly fight Mayweather as a southpaw.

Zab Judah won 4 rounds and knocked a prime Mayweather down. Cotto won 3 rounds. Crawford won't win 4 to 6 rounds though? Eh, I find that highly doubtful.

And at any rate, the real underlying point is, he'd win more rounds than Canelo did.

 

At the end of the day, who cares... Crawford still loses to Floyd, just like Canelo lost to Floyd. Be it by 10 rounds or 8. As far as the Vargas comparison, not a great one. Fernando was far more battle tested at 22 with wins over Quartey, Campos, Marquez and Winky, and unlike combination counter puncher Canelo was a naturally effectively aggressive fighter. In order for Canelo to beat Mayweather, he'd have needed to possess skills he hadn't attained at that point and he'd have to be something he simply wasn't.

 

I hear you, but we are only having this discussion because you asked me if I was sure Crawford doesn't get dominated the same way Canelo did, so whether Crawford wins one round, or 5, seems to be the basis of how this discussion started, and the point.

 

I should've added, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Because as sure as you are that he doesn't, that's just how sure I am that he does. Be it 10, 9 or 8 rounds, it would be a clear cut enough win. Sure, he struggled with southpaw Judah for a few rounds, but he didn't struggle with southpaws Mitchell, Guerrero, Ortiz and Pacquiao. So not much should be made of that. Because Crawford would be facing a far more seasoned savvy defensively sound version of Mayweather than the one who fought Judah. Just like the current seasoned Canelo is far more adept at waling slick fighters down.