Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois & Dmytro Mytrofanov vs. Hamzah Sheeraz RBR.

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  1. Beale

    Beale Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually think that any fighter with real hunger to succeed would come back stronger from this fight.

    At 24 years of age, that is the best boxing lesson that one could have and probably the most difficult opponent one could face.

    His heart is weak and that is the first thing that needs addressed but he did not look disgraced for most of that fight.
     
  2. dunn0709

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    Then it'll be his fault if he doesn't do it.
    And will end the debate about whether he's one of the greats, by refusing the opportunity to secure a legacy.
    Champions don't do that.
     
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  3. DramaShow

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    “His heart is weak and that is the first thing that needs addressed” - you said heart can’t be taught when referring to Joshua?
    I have always said Fury wins. Usyk is 36 and is aging, getting slower all the time. Fury is also past his prime, but Usyk has been taking on tougher challengers recently putting himself through hard camps against big, hungry, young heavyweights.

    I will get hate for this, but if the IBF mandate Hrgovic to fight Usyk, I give Hrgovic a BIG chance of winning. Usyk said he wants time off to recover but the IBF will enforce the mandatory pretty quickly. If I were Usyk I would vacate the title and wait for Fury or retire.

    Hrgovic has a much higher ring IQ than Dubois. I think he could give Usyk much more problems. Let’s be honest, the 2 rounds I gave Usyk, 3 and 4, were the only rounds you could argue Dubois win. Usyk completely schooled him.
     
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  4. Beale

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    Got plenty of time for decent Matchroom fighters such as Katie Taylor, Chantelle Cameron, Leigh Wood, Bivol, John Ryder, Joe Cordina and Sunny Edwards.
     
  5. Beale

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    The point I make about heart is at 24 years of age, he has already faced the best and surely he now realises that digging in when it gets tough is what warriors like Usyk do naturally.

    Joshua and Dubois have the same weak hearts.
     
  6. DramaShow

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    You’re back-tracking like Frampton there! Now Warren will annoy everyone complaining about the decision. Maybe he should give Dubois some proper fights now rather than feather-fisted Americans like Trevor Bryan and Joe Cusumano.

    He could just make Dubois against the winner of Zhang vs Joyce II next. Instead, he won’t stop complaining and will force the TNT crew to spout the same nonsense.
     
  7. Beale

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    DDD knocked Usyk out for me.
     
  8. smoking mirrors

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    one went 24 rounds semi-competitively with Usyk, the other couldn’t last 9 before quitting (despite the low blows)
     
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  9. Beale

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    The easiest 24 rounds Usyk has done.

    Zero threat, zero heart
     
  10. Accurate

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    Nah you can't say that. The referee quickly indicated that it was a low blow. Usyk clearly recognised this and took his time getting up. Had the ref not given it as a low blow, Usyk more than likely would have gotten up in plenty of time. Cmon.
     
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  11. Work the body

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    Think Usyk probably got away with one there. He don’t like it downstairs
     
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  12. Accurate

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    Who does.

    That's definitely the way to beat Usyk though. Any fighter can be beaten and anyone fighting Usyk should be looking downstairs. He is so hard to hit clean to the head. I think it was Dubois game plan to punch low and ruffle Usyk. Dirty but I don't really blame him.
     
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  13. Beale

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    Possibly but we don't know.

    The fact he stayed down for so long is a good indicator of hurt.

    DDD should have thrown the kitchen sink, taps, oven gloves the lot when the fight restarted and that was when he blew it.
     
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    Class from Bellew saying it how it is, referring to the manual rather than speaking out of emotion recklessly.

    Either way, Hrgovic will get a world title shot in his next fight. Let’s see whether Usyk chooses to fight him or not.
    Outside of the low blows, Dubois didn’t land too many clean shots. Look at Usyk’s face today compared to after the Joshua fights. Dubois looked completely clueless at times as Usyk was landing combinations at will. Joshua did well to win rounds in fights 1 and 2, plus hurting Usyk to the body legitimately. He also didn’t quit unlike Dubois.
     
  15. Accurate

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    Exactly, we don't know. The fact the ref acted quickly in clearly ruling it a low blow and Usyk clearly recognising this, means we cannot say Dubois KO'd Usyk.

    From there we have to assume that Usyk would have gotten up. Because we know Usyk.

    It was clearly low anyway IMO.
     
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