Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois & Dmytro Mytrofanov vs. Hamzah Sheeraz RBR.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Answer my ****ing question and don't give me any of your bull****.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    @CST80 BTW refresh my memory, what was your view on Bud's "low blow" vs Khan? Did you agree with me on that one, that that was low?
     
  3. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Keep crying as your boy quit. The blow was below the belly button. Low blow. I'd say open your eyes but that's useless.
     
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  4. anthoto1

    anthoto1 Active Member Full Member

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    History showed he's soft against Slavic men.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't have been screaming bloody murder either way. If he was dropped from a shot like that, I would have accepted it and considered it "close enough". It's not a 1:1 comparison because Canelo doesn't keep his trunks that high.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    That's the biggest you've ever told and that's saying something, considering you lie 24/7.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One thing I always do as it pertains to how low blows are adjudicated is to provide context and describe the path of the punch, if it was moving upward or where the punch was targetted. Like with Bud's low blow against Khan, Bud clearly aimed that low, and Khan's movement affected where it landed. Dubois shot was not "dirty" he was not targetting Usyk low.

    And how about you : do you consider Dubois shot as "dirty" or intentionally low?
     
  8. kirk

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    In this clip David I think people are focusing on the final placement of the glove, but I think it finds its final placement higher than it hits Usyk, and gives the impression it was a legitimate shot.

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    This still from a millisecond before the punch lands shows where Usyks bellybutton should roughly be. I think it's reasonable to assume it's roughly in the middle of his belts symbol, if not a little bit higher.

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    This is almost the initial impact. I actually think there might have been very hard to see glancing that happened even lower but this is at least where the real initial force lands.

    This is clearly low to me. D's entire knuckle line in his glove would be well below Usyks bellybutton here, and would be mostly beneath the mid belt line.

    In fact to me his knuckle line clearly actually hits Usyks actual trunks here.

    That screenshot is the point of impact, the only thing that matters, and imo, it's clearly low.

    Now, the final resting place that gives the impression this is arguable, is here...

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    But this placement is irrelevant and people need to slow it down frame by frame and see where that shot initially hits Usyk.
     
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  9. Mark Anthony

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    Nice nose.
     
  10. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    No, it is legal to strike anywhere on the body above the belt, arms, neck or head that is at the front or side. It is illegal to strike the back. However some punches are not effective wearing gloves, just as some punches are inadvisable if not wearing gloves - bareknuckle and gloved boxing are two different things.
     
  11. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canello's personal junk sucker talking about damage control the irony. remind me why PED's are okay if your hero takes pops dirty.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It's entirely irrelevant... I think it was a low blow regardless. It doesn't matter. If it's unintentional, they're given time to recover. If it's dirty and intentional, he gets time to recover and Dubois gets a point docked.
     
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    Clear low blow.
     
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  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough. It's a borderline situation. It wasn't a dirty shot and I had the same reaction as the announcer did. That looked good. BUT you could certainly make the argument that it skimmed the lower part of the belt-line on its way up. But don't try to act like it's crazy to think that was OK and Usyk was lucky. He was hurt by a shot that many refs would rule a KD.
     
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  15. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bladder shot. The new best way to knock a man out. The new generation of British boxers already drilling the technique.