I'm A Fan Of Usyk But He Legitimately Got KO'ed

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Legal Body Punch ?

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :risas3::risas3:

    Usyk was RESCUED by the ref. What controversy!
     
  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Dubouis crippled that boy and was robbed
    Typical
     
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  3. Antigoon

    Antigoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk clearly indicated he was ready to continue faster than the ref allowed him to
     
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  4. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk was very fortunate to have that called a low blow. Any other ref would have counted that as a legal blow. Fury now knows what he can do to beat Usyk, unfortunately.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The ref called it a low blow, Usyk chose to milk it. Had the ref called it a knockdown, we have no idea how Usyk would've reacted. Maybe he'd have hopped right back up. Maybe he'd have made it up by 9 and ran the rest of the round. But one thing I know for damned sure. Had Pabon called it a knockdown and counted Usyk out, the majority of the site would be up in arms because they robbed the champ of his belts and his 0 because of an illegal low blow. And Pabon would become the new Tony Weeks.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Its been assumed that Usyk is weak to the body for years, Fury would target the body regardless. But it doesn't matter, Fury doesn't have he power of a Joshua or Dubois.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Here's a low blow per WBA guidelines as a discussion point.

    2. LOW BLOW/HITTING BELOW THE BELT

    It is critical to know that the waistline is defined as the imaginary horizontal line through the navel to the top of the hips. This is so regardless of where the boxer places his trunks and or protector cup. The Referee should establish the waistline at center ring in his final instructions.

    The rules state that the bout cannot end as a result of a low blow because it is deemed that the foul protector cup is sufficient to withstand any blow. However, it is clear that this is a very debilitating blow that should be admonished and at times penalized. The discretion of the Referee is paramount.

    Any blow that lands below the established waistline is a foul.

    A Referee should watch for blows that are parried and land below the belt. This is not a foul. Referees will also watch for boxers who may turn or move suddenly causing the opponent’s blow to land low. This is not a foul either.

    WBA rules state that a boxer that is hurt by a low blow will have up to five (5) minutes to recover. If the boxer does not resume fighting after this time period, he will lose the bout by TKO.

    It is advisable for the Referee to discreetly encourage the hurt boxer to resume fighting as soon as possible. A full five (5) minute stop in the action will stymie the natural flow of the bout and quite possibly affect its natural outcome. However, one should keep in mind that the boxer is entitled to the full five (5) minute recovery period if he desires it.

    Suitable hand signal: Point to the area where the blow landed. Then, with your hand palm up, move it upward.
     
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  8. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Bottom line Usyk got a gift, he’s not the first, won’t be the last, it’s boxing.
     
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  9. splatter69

    splatter69 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That looked low to me. But let’s say the ref started counting. You really think Uysk woulda laid there and been counted out? Or not been smart enough after getting up to survive?
    Everyone so far that’s claiming it was a legit shot seems to be saying that game set match he would have been koed. No chance to beat count or survive…
    GTFO with that ****.
     
  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry, but the glove is still situated and below the belt even at the uppermost point of the punch's trajectory. Usyk's trunks weren't that high, so that's not a legal punch. It's not egregiously low but none of the punch is in a legal target area, so that's got to be considered a foul.
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably, but only way to test what the majority thinks is to have a poll.
     
  12. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    No, it is legal to strike anywhere on the body above the belt, arms, neck or head that is at the front or side. It is illegal to strike the back. However some punches are not effective wearing gloves, just as some punches are inadvisable if not wearing gloves - bareknuckle and gloved boxing are two different things.
     
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  13. kirk

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    I think people are focusing on the final placement of the glove, but I think it finds its final placement higher than it hits Usyk, and gives the impression it was a legitimate shot.

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    This still from a millisecond before the punch lands shows where Usyks bellybutton should roughly be. I think it's reasonable to assume it's roughly in the middle of his belts symbol, if not a little bit higher.

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    This is almost the initial impact. I actually think there might have been very hard to see glancing that happened even lower but this is at least where the real initial force lands.

    This is clearly low to me. D's entire knuckle line in his glove would be well below Usyks bellybutton here, and would be mostly beneath the mid belt line.

    In fact to me his knuckle line clearly actually hits Usyks actual trunks here.

    That screenshot is the point of impact, the only thing that matters, and imo, it's clearly low.

    Now, the final resting place that gives the impression this is arguable, is here...

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    But this placement is irrelevant and people need to slow it down frame by frame and see where that shot initially hits Usyk.
     
  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To me honestly the fact people are arguing over literally millimetres is grasping at straws in all honesty.

    Someone posted a video of Judah vs Khan which was scored a KO and the punch was even lower than Dubois's punch.

    I don't need to see a freeze frame I seen enough footage and pictures and to me it's a legit shot in the abdomen end of.
     
  15. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    If a punch gets called low and the fighter on the receiving end of it decides to take the full whack to recover you don't get to think up alternate scenarios where the fighter gets KOed because he didn't get up before ten seconds elapsed.

    No, Usyk was not KOed because the ref never initiated a count. Had he done so and Usyk had failed to beat the count then he would have been KOed. Weird that there's so much confusion about this.