The "Usyk is small" myth

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  1. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I second this and many people will tell you the same thing.

    Height isn’t the only metric. Its your build and your frame, small , medium, large.

    I always remember a quote from actor Hugh Jackman who always described Liev Schreiber as a much bigger guy when they worked together despite being similar in height. He said his frame was big.

    You just stand next to someone sometimes and you see their frame is massive, dense bones, wide shoulders.

    Mike Tyson is considered a LARGE framed 5 foot 11 ish guy. I’m same height and done a lot of weight lifting just to get to Mikes fight weight where he cuts and is shredded lol.

    Tyson balloons to 240s in twilight years, and tyson started off as 190 lbs as a kid aged 13 when I was 125 Same age
     
  2. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    6'3 215-225 is a good size for a heavyweight as long as they are skilled and fit. It's only a disadvantage against a SKILLED superheavy(Wlad, Fury, Lewis) and we've still seen them struggle against guys Usyk's size.
     
  3. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The George Foreman comparison are redundant.

    Foreman walked around at close to 300lbs when he was not training. Look at his "retirement" pictures post 1977 when he was a pastor and he was HUGE.

    If Usyk stopped training he would probably shrink.

    Foreman had a much bigger head, hands, wrists and overall frame than Usyk.

    He's also around 6ft4 and around Shannon Briggs size. He'd probably be pretty close to the size Dubois is now who himself looks substantially bigger then Usyk.

    That said, anyone over 200lbs can punch and when you have Usyk's skills and ring IQ it's pretty much check mate against these lesser skilled opponents.
     
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  4. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No idea who you are, sorry. You clearly know who I am though.:eaea:
     
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  5. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Still hurts that I wasn't there for your graduation, huh? Shake it off, son, I was just trying to teach you life wasn't all sunshine and rainbows.
     
  6. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Relative to Fury he’s small, it matters because Fury will make it matter, Usyk isn’t beating Fury brother. If you can’t see why, you just haven’t been paying attention. Fury can fight any fight you want to fight, he will stink the joint out, he’ll brawl, he’ll box inside, he’ll box outside, he’ll move, he’ll fight on the front foot, the back foot, he’ll fight dirty, he can literally do whatever he wants. Plus he’s an enormous man, and knows how to fight like a massive man.
     
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  7. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I literally have never interacted with you before, ever. Nice to know I have a fan on here though :eaea:
     
  8. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    There's a difference between "Usyk is smaller than Fury" and "Usyk is small/just a cruiserweight/middleweight".

    Also, lol at the Fury remarks. When Fury wants a fight, he makes that fight. That's it. He is petrified of Usyk and duly outpriced himself at the Saudis, the biggest money bags in all of sports today, even though what the Saudis offered him in the first place would have been by far his biggest pay day ever - roughly three times as much as Fury got for the Whyte fight, his biggest payday to date.

    Answer me a simple question, mate (or your fellow Fury fan @Rumsfeld can answer it too). Let's say that there's a job you keep saying you want to land. You get the job interview with the biggest and most reputable company in the field. They offer you a salary that is the biggest in the market and actually three times as much as your biggest salary of your life up to that point. But you demand that they need to pay you double that amount still. When they say no, you leave the interview, you don't take the job and you claim the deal was not good enough for you to take, despite the fact that you and everyone else knows that you won't get anywhere near an offer like that for that job at any other company out there.

    In a scenario like that, do you actually believe you can honestly say you wanted that job for real?
     
  9. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    What about Usyk “petrifies” Fury in your opinion? That’s just a silly comment, he fought Wlad, he fought Wilder 3x, but he’s “petrified” of Usyk? Come on man…you don’t believe that.

    In terms of negotiations for fights, I spent five years fighting that fight and I just don’t have the energy for it brother. I don’t care about negotiations, if they fight, I have 100% confidence in who will win. I’m not a Fury fan, btw, but I 100% respect what he is and what he’s capable of.
     
  10. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Who cares about Wilder? A talented boxer like Fury with those skills will beat a one-trick-pony ten times out of ten. Szpilka easily outboxed Wilder, for crying out loud. There’s a reason why Wilder has absolutely nobody on his resume worthy of note bar an ancient Ortiz (who doesn’t have anyone on his resume either).

    Fury is scared stiff of Usyk as Usyk is the worst stylistic matchup for him. He is like a combination of Cunningham and Wallin - only ten times as good as those guys put together. Fury is in sharp decline since 2020 but it was not apparent because he fought plodders who didn’t expose how he has been losing speed. Usyk would dance rings around him and Fury knows it. Even his own camp knows it. Heck, his own uncle, Peter admitted that Usyk is the toughest possible fight out there for Fury and “he could be too much even for Tyson to be honest - he’s that good”.

    Fury is not petrified of Usyk in a physical sense. He is petrified of the possibility what losing to Usyk means to his paper thin legacy. He knows Usyk is too much for him. I repeat: there was never a fight Fury actually wanted but didn’t make it. When he wants a fight, he makes it. When he doesn’t want it, he doesn’t make it. That’s what he did when he ducked Price, Ustinov or a still unbeaten Whyte or a still unbeaten Joshua.

    Nice attempt at ducking to answer my question btw - Fury would be proud :)
     
  11. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    obviously you’re emotionally invested in this, I’m not, I’m just telling you the truth. Sorry it upsets you, that wasn’t my intention.
     
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  12. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Lol. It’s a thing around here when you are out of arguments you come with the weak sauce “calm down” or “emotionally invested” nonsense.

    It’s okay, mate. I just expected more form you.
     
  13. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Dude, he’s bigger, stronger, more versatile, and has more paths to victory…it’s really simple. He can out box from range, lay on him and bully him inside, and at a minimum is an equal puncher. Usyk has to fight a perfect fight, Fury has to fight a decent fight, this isn’t hard to figure out. I’ve been pretty clear on it, you don’t want to hear it because of your emotional investment. It’s not an “argument” or debate, it’s my view. If you disagree so be it, just make sure you’re here when the fight is over. 8-4 UD Fury, easy fight to call.
     
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  14. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    So let me get this straight. I was “obviously invested emotionally” because I saw it completely differently and I argued for it, explaining my reasons?

    Lol. This place and the members here are something else.

    Usyk UD against Fury, 117-111 or 116-112. Team Fury knows this, that’s why they didn’t take the fight. Usyk is faster, slicker, more skilled, more agile, more mobile and will dance around the fat blob. If you think Fury is good movement and speed, you’ll be shocked how Usyk will make him look like Bambi on ice and you’ll be thinking “what’s wrong with Fury, I don’t get it”. Lol at your reasons when Fury said about Cunningham: “He was a slick, talented boxer and I tried to walk him down, use my size and power, but he was just outboxing me. What I’m good at - boxing, moving, slipping and sliding – I couldn’t do against Steve Cunningham because he was quicker than me. It was like he was a better boxer all round than me, and he’d knocked me over even though he was a light puncher.”

    He said these things about Steve trucking’ Cunningham, mate, who has always been 10% of the level of Usyk at best. He called Cunningham his hardest fight - and since then, he is literally a decade older, 40 lbs heavier, slower. Usyk will murder him, he knows this, that’s why he ducked Usyk twice in twelve months. And don’t worry, I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be here, laughing at those who bought into this narrative how Fury is going to defeat someone who is basically Cunningham + Walling, Fury’s two toughest fights ever, combined only faster, more skilled, more agile and a better boxer.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cool, there will be no excuses from me either.

    You can't talk about "not responding" when I provided the evidence that you demanded proving that your deity gasman was a hypocrite and a liar and you skulked off, never replying to it.