I'm A Fan Of Usyk But He Legitimately Got KO'ed

From that angle, the part of the glove that lands first is hidden from view. But you can tell where it lands by the other angle. The point of impact is right on the circular logo in the middle of Usyk's belt-line.

 

It would be a NC not a DQ.

 

Thought experiment of sorts...

The arcing punch is a fair observation - it's heading upwards on the body from before it lands, to the point of impact and during the impact.

In other words, the later you see it, the higher it's going to look and therefore the less likely to be a foul.

So given this, does it not seem more reasonable to suspect that any unseen contact within the video frames and/or stills is earlier and therefore landing at a lower point on the body? And as a result, more likely to be a foul at a point before it's obvious to see, rather than less?

In terms of benefit of the doubt, and in the interest of sporting fair play, I can only see one answer here.

For me personally, I think there's visible contact of enough of the glove below where I feel the beltline should be on Usyk with the benefit of hindsight and analysis.

But in real-time, weighing up whether to give a lowblow or start a count? I think the ref has probably weighed it up reasonably, personally.

To each their own, naturally.

 

Khan’s punch was questioned. Emanuel Steward for one, called it illegal but also suggested that it wasn’t damaging, likely only have caught the top of the cup.

Watch the refs instructions at the start of the fight. The ref clearly indicates the line on Zab’s body below which, if any punch landed he (the ref) would deem it to be a low blow.

Khan landed below the line that the ref himself indicated - but the ref failed to recognise and act upon his own clearly indicated reference point for a low blow.

I believe the ref was not ideally sighted in this case.

Note also, Kahn was holding onto and pushing down on the back of Judah’s neck when he landed the punch - that’s another arguable foul.

When Kahn landed the punch he looked left toward the ref.

Kahn’s glancing at the ref possibly indicated that Kahn was checking any reaction from the ref - since he knew that his punch had strayed low as well obviously knowing that he was guilty of holding and hitting anyway -

At any rate, a low blow that should’ve been ruled as such but wasn’t doesn’t invalidate any similarly placed low blows that have been correctly ruled on. It only reflects inconsistent enforcement.

 

Can we add a poll to this thread?

 

But this is precisely the point, and why people looking to hyper analyze it are looking for the earliest possible frame of contact.

Precisely because a punch that's travelling upwards will contact at its lowest point first, before continuing upwards, right?

I think what you're trying to say (please correct me) is if it looks like it lands before it actually does, then it's going to look lower than it is?

Either way, then, the dispute on the hyper analysis front is going to be when it contacts because that will determine where on the shorts it hits (and then all that's left is to decide whether his shorts were above the theoretical beltline and by how much).

Absolutely the referee had a tough job on this one as it's fairly marginal - my initial impression was the opposite, it looked on the low side to me... But if it's not clear then the ref has to give benefit of the doubt one way or the other... And is it fairer to give it a count, in favour of the guy who might not have another chance to win it and might've just landed a solid body shop that's just about legal, or to call it low in favour of the dominant fighter who wouldn't deserve to be counted out if it is low?

Tough decision and fractions of a second to make it.

I can't fault the ref here, but then that does align with my view of it so I suppose I would, wouldn't I?

 

He was hyped only here .

He was and is a mr nobody in hw with his hw fight record . The last fight was just pathetic and hard on the edge to be called a fraud for a political propaganda show.

He has good promoters . They knew facing wilder is not an option and facing fury only when fury is not in shape .

They sold the 'mandatory dubois' story so good many people believed it and made sure everything is order to make him win .

 

First things first... I don't think those others should have been given.

I personally think the contact is either mostly or completely below the beltline, it's not on-and-above IMHO.

I think if anything it can be convincingly made to look higher than it was on the freezeframes (by freezing late or cherry picking angles) much more easily than to convincingly make it look lower than it was...

But I can see arguments both ways and you're clearly not unreasonable, you just see it differently (which is refreshing on here).

 

Thanks champ