Pros/Former pros take on if Dubois shot was legal.

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  1. BoxingAndy

    BoxingAndy New Member Full Member

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    Everyone wanted Usyk to win, even most British fans were not routing for Debois. It was the Ukraine show and all the vested interest was for Usyk to win.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I live over here and I watch a ton of boxing channels and videos. We along with Americans are by far the most biased. Do you have any idea how many British pros, pundits, and casuals were pushing the narrative or were implying that Usyk only beat AJ because of what AJ didn't do not what Usyk did do? And they were or are still pushing that narrative after Usyk whooped him in the rematch. Usyk literally had everything as heavily stacked against him as it could've been and he took AJ to school in his backyard in front of 65,000 rabid and hostile AJ fans but that narrative still persists.

    And we know a lot of Americans feel threatened by the impact EE fighters have made on the sport in recent years, including fighters, and how utterly imperative it is that the P4P king has to hail from their shores. Hence why so many of them never had Chocolate Tito, Loma, Usyk or Inoue P4P#1 and would argue vehemently that they did not deserve to ever be so, and then when you ask them to show you their top ten the bias is unlike anything you will ever see in your life and I've seen this a billion times :lol:

    They will be using this incident in order to push the narrative that Crawford is the clear #1 so it's hard to take their opinions seriously.

    You see Floyd accusing Inoue of being a PED cheat the other day to try and subtly push the narrative that Crawford is the clear P4P #1? :lol:

    Here's Dre thoughts on those pesky foreigners coming and taking our jobs

    'Olympic gold medal winner Andre Ward (30-0, 15KOs) admits that a rivalry is growing between American and Eastern European fighters.

    In the last few years, the number of Eastern European fighters competing in the United States has exploded. Top professionals, top amateurs and numerous Olympic medal winners from Eastern European countries have made the American market their home.

    "The Eastern European fighters are here - a lot of them. So they are getting those opportunities. I think there is an inherent rivalry there between Americans and Russians, because they are on our turf trying to make a name and we're trying to defend what we have so to speak - that's how I look at it. No disrespect, it's nothing personal, but yeah I think there is an inherent rivalry there because they are trying to take something that we have," Ward said.
     
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  3. Overseas

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    It's pretty obvious that his belly button was immediately under the belt. You can see it on video after he gets up and walks around. But you can also confirm it in this picture because when he raises his arms, you can see the navel.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not true at all. For example, all the Belly fans were rooting hard against him and obvious Dubois' fans, and many of the disgruntled AJ fans too, and I know how biased British pros and pundits often are in favour of the Brit :lol:
     
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  5. MAD_PIGE0N

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    People giving screenshots from other moments of the fight where we can see Usyk's shorts below the navel is probably the most stupid thing they can do. The shorts are not fixed throughout the fight. At the start of round 5, one can clearly see the navel going into the shorts - how is that for proof? Nor it was visible at the moment of the impact. So if we are going to play it thisway - that's the fact.
     
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  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're not wrong there Serge. What was your take on the "low blow"? Legal, illegal or borderline/debatable?
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's borderline/debatable for sure, I think it initially hits him in the upper bladder area with a large percentage of the glove being below the naval.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly and clearly you can't see Usyk's belly button at the point when Dubois landed the punch on the belt line so its irrelevant.

    I like Usyk I like Lomachenko I thought Lomachenko got hard done by vs Haney recently, but I call it as I see it no bias from me whether I like a fighter or not.

    That was a clear abdomen shot right on the belt line, and theres countless examples of belt line shots being scored as legit knockdowns/stoppages throughout history.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What vested interest would an American pro have in a fight between Usyk and Dubois?

    We haven't given the UK $75 billion in the last year.

    The fact that Usyk complained of low blows throughout the fight and the referee ignored him or just stated to his face it wasn't low doesn't help Usyk's case.

    The guy's weakness is his body. If he complains enough, and the ref is out of position, the ref tends to go along. And his opponent gets admonished and lays off the body.

    Usyk has been doing it for a long time, but his sycophants haven't noticed until now.

    We can debate that one shot forever, but nobody is talking about all the other times he claimed a punch was a foul last night that the ref basically said "C'mon" and rolled his eyes.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I just explained that, darling, Because they want to push the narrative that Crawford is a clear P4P#1. It's the same reason why many were accusing Inoue of being a PED cheat and you even had numerous fighters, including Floyd, doing so.
     
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  11. BoxingAndy

    BoxingAndy New Member Full Member

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    Didn’t see barely any UK pundits except those in Dubois team give him a chance and he barely has any supporters in the UK. All countries have a slight preference to their fighters but UK bias isn’t as bad as people think, there is always a good debate between pundits with different viewpoints, the problem is that UK bias is highlighted as a lot of sports fans from outside the UK watch our broadcasts and coverage. If you watch a for example a Mexican broadcast of one of their fighters or a Ukrainian broadcast you see a big bias towards their fighters on their broadcast.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You think Usyk whining about low blows is a Pound-for-Pound debate?

    Usyk wasn't going to climb any pound-for-pound ladder by beating Daniel Dubois last night. He was a massive favorite to win.
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I respect your opinion Serge for atleast seeing at as debatable, I'm on the side of the argument believing it was a legit. But I'm not going to trash anyone else's opinion for seeing it different, and it doesn't take away from Usyk's prior achievements.

    But I don't think Usyk has too much time left in the sport, I hope he can atleast retire on a great/memorable fight.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The irony of this coming from the biggest bum licker of the biggest manufactured fraud hype job in recent memory is beyond comical. Mr One Billion Excuses who has literally beaten 2 world champions in 46 fights and one of them had been shot to bits for years :lol:
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is all dumb. What is done is done. The issue should be, if Usyk is so weak, THEN LET'S GET FURY IN THERE TO FIGHT HIM.
     
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