I'm A Fan Of Usyk But He Legitimately Got KO'ed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dynamicpuncher, Aug 26, 2023.


Legal Body Punch ?

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  2. No

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Usyk doesn't fall and start grimacing I doubt the ref calls it low.
     
  2. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Any competent ref would tell DuBois to pick it up.
     
  3. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Initial impact was lower than the punch's final resting spot. The punch was sufficient to cause the trunks to move upward when it landed.

    Fact is, even in the still used to support Dubois's case, there's enough of the glove resting on the trunks section for the official to call it low as per the rules posted by @JohnThomas1. And the punch landed lower than that.
     
  4. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is the new TKO6 thread
    Honestly think it might have been low according to the rules (not sure what half on the belt and half below counts as) but it wasn’t like he got hit in the balls. So if Usyk was genuinely hurt then it was a KO.
     
  5. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This controversy is a good example of why a fighters navel should be visible with trunks and protectors on.
     
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  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The knuckle part of the glove landed perfectly on the belt line which covered Usyk's belly button hence it's an abdomen shot and not low.

    Theres countless examples of belt line shots being scored as legitimate body shot stoppages.

    As I've said Khan vs Judah is one, Crawford vs Khan is another which was far lower, and Ward vs Kovalev 2 is another example.

    And if you go back in history there would be alot more examples aswell, going by that logic I guess every belt line body shot stoppage in history is void then.
     
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  7. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought the shot was OK but if the ref starts to count then I think Usyk gets up. The result would have been the same.

    It's a bit of a non issue for me
     
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  8. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai Member Full Member

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    Just watched the Rummy's slowmo replay at 2:05 with 0.25x speed and it's the same as the screenshot. Clearly under the belt.

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  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well I disagree that Usyk could've got up within 10 seconds, he was frozen from that body shot and looked in terrible condition.

    He needed over 3 minutes to recover so I would put serious doubt in whether or not he could've gotten up in such a short span of time.

    As I've said it's all speculation and we will never know for sure, but in my own personal opinion based on his condition after the body shot I would say no.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fact this poll is so divided just shows how controversial it is, and proves my point that it's a very debatable subject no matter what side of the argument your on.
     
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  11. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The punch looked okay to me. Whether it was 'technically' a foul or not is of no matter now. Pabon made his call and that's that. (Although, it seemed to me that Pabon was acting on the reaction of Usyk, not the nature of the punch itself.)

    Either way, at worst, it was a borderline case, and Usyk reacted like he had been shot. That should be a concern for him and his camp, while sending out a signal flare to the other contenders in the division.
     
  12. mrbigshot

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    What balls ?
     
  13. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    sometimes,
    Why do some refs repeat the instructions
    Just before the fight for the final face off in the ring?

    I prefer that as a fan anyway.
     
  14. Hanz Cholo

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  15. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crawford vs Khan was a low shot that was called low; and the reason why it resulted in a stoppage was because Khan wasn't able to continue aftter the five minute rest. Not exactly the best example to use.

    Kovalev vs Ward's final punch was clearly low, but Kovalev was already hurt and had taken a series of unanswered punches. Different circumstances, and even then a case could be made that Kovalev could have been given time to recover from that last low shot.

    Anweay, at the point of impact, Usyk's trunks are below the belly botton, and then the trunks are moved up by the shot, which only partially connects with the beltline and partially connects on the trunks section. It's not super low, but I've seen shots get called low that have landed in the same general area (Mayweather vs McGregor, for example). Calling that shot was appropriate then, and it was appropriate in this case too.

    Personally, if I'm Dubois's camp, I'm focusing less on the low blow and more on the fact that Pabon insisted on giving Usyk extra time to recover, since the rule itself stipulates that the official should be encouraging the fighter to continue as quickly as possible. Usyk stated he was ready a full minute beforehand and was given an extra minute's rest or so. That was more egregious than the low blow call itself, imo.