I'm A Fan Of Usyk But He Legitimately Got KO'ed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dynamicpuncher, Aug 26, 2023.


Legal Body Punch ?

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  2. No

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  1. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why are you thinking about Usyks balls? Got them on your mind?
     
  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not trying to make you believe anything my guy, i have an opinion just like you have an opinion and I'm entitled to have my views.

    You haven't proved anything the trunks debate has already been addressed.......Usyk's belly button was not visible during the punch....the trunks move up and down in various positions during a fight that's not concrete evidence. There's pictures of Usyk's trunks being above belly button when he was announced winner, and there's picture of his belly button being present after the fight so it's all moot point that doesn't prove anything. Dubois's punch landed on the "belt line" which was covering Usyk's nasal passage hence the punch landed on the abdomen.

    Also if you're gonna bring up the freeze frame images look through the thread that's already been addressed aswell.


    A punch landing on the belt line when it's covering the belly button is a legal punch, and i'm sorry you can keep harping on until the cows go home i don't agree with your opinion. You can have your views on the incident and i'll have mine and we'll leave it at that.

    I been debating about this subject with about 10 different posters since last night and i'm tired of it in all honestly, i don't want to debate it anymore so this is my last reply on the matter.
     
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  3. Komaster

    Komaster **** All Computers Full Member

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    I voted yes to make it 50-50 :lol:
     
  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man yall are really reaching
    I’m a fan of Usyk

    but not a fan of him over the integrity of the sport.
    He was extremely fortunate to receive the call & “advice” from provolone who insisted he take the entire 5 min to recover.

    It’s A-$ide treatment.
    If it’s good to call it out against mayweather & Canelo -
    Then For Usyk it should be no different …
    “what’s good for the goose….”
     
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  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    If I ommited it, it was not that I tried to hide it. I totally agree with you.

    But yes, there are victims here. A KD was robbed to Dubois. So there is a victim here. Do you think that the robbery is not bad enough and that it is a small robbery because you and me think that it would have not changed the final result? OK, you can think that, but there was a victim here because a KD was unfairly taken away from Dubois anyway.
     
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  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Imho, and I'm a Usyk fan too, the referee didnt help Usyk at all. As I've said before I'm 100% sure that Usyk would have KO'd Dubois anyway had this punch been counted as a legit punch (as the legit punch that it is, I mean).

    Instead of helping Usyk, that idiot referee tarnished his victory, that's what this idiot did. Plus he tainted Usyk's reputation. That referee is useless.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm not watching this dude with all due respect. Clear agenda.

    And nqh for Usyk trunks. He wasn't wearing them high. He is one of the few HWs that is actually wearing them exactly on the spot. His belly button is exactly on the upper level of the belt line, which indicates anything lower is a lowblow.
    This is not my interpretation this is by the lowblow rules.
    And a clear FACTS of my statement about Usyk trunks and the rules.
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/usyk-wore-his-trunks-high.709022/page-3#post-22486491
     
  8. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder would get clipped but yeah Fury going to batter Usyk I think
     
  9. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai Member Full Member

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    You must be blind and stupid to not see that it was under the belt.
     
  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I doubt it, regardless of what Usyk says. Usyk was the B-side, away fighter, a 1/8 favourite vs Chisora and regarded as a serious potential threat to Joshua. So anything less than total domination of Chisora (preferably with a stoppage) was risky, especially falling that far below expectations (Usyk rated his performance as a 3/10). Look at what happened to former Usyk opponent Matchroom's Hunter when he fought 40+ Povetkin: most thought Hunter won a narrow decision but he was regarded as a threat to Joshua and Whyte, so they gave Hunter a draw and Povetkin got the nod to face Whyte instead. And Hunter was surely regarded as less threatening than Usyk, given that Usyk dominated him at cruiser and became undisputed. Also look at the scorecards in the Bellew fight: Matchroom had previously tried to rob Usyk. But Usyk saved himself from a potential robbery by sparking Bellew in 8. I don't believe that Usyk went the distance with Joshua by choice either: for all he knew he could have been robbed in one of those fights, especially the 2nd where he almost was. And while Joshua's better than Chisora in key respects, he's not necessarily harder to stop.

    The fan consensus was that Usyk beat Chisora 9-3 or 8-4 but according to Boxrec, Chisora had competitive rounds in 9 and 10 on top of his strong start in the first 4. Some on the RBR had it a draw (not all Usyk haters either) so it wouldn't have been massively controversial. Usyk's manager was allegedly worried about a draw, which he's never denied to my knowledge. Only one more round needed to go Chisora's way on two cards. Usyk could have still not looked threatening and played it safe over 12 while greatly reducing the robbery risk by not having competitive late rounds with Chisora. And in Chisora's next fight most had him beating backfoot Parker, which is also consistent with giving Usyk a decent fight.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  12. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There’s no “reaching” about it - “he was wearing them that high.
    His belly button wasn’t visible theentire fight.” Is a direct quote from you, I have just pointed out an instance within around a minute of the fight starting where his belly is clearly visible.
    I havnt even bothered to look at the other 26minutes as you have been proved wrong already.
     
  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    All fair points DP. Being evenhanded, I’ve noted before that Usyk has appeared a touch vulnerable to the body - including the effects of some shots landed by AJ in the rematch.

    Notwithstanding complexion, a fighters legit moment is his moment, even if against the run of play.

    It shouldn’t be that way but a fighter who gets screwed officially but who is losing anyway often gets far less sympathy than a similarly victimised guy who is winning.

    Turn around victories are as legit as any other win - and they are very much a part of all things the sport thrives on.

    Another thing I didn’t address is the question of where Usyk wears his trunks.

    Tbh, I’ve never noticed them to be high - and on specific review, they didn’t appear unusually high - and certainly not as compared to Dubois, which can be seen most clearly during pre fight instructions.

    Additionally, I never thought I’d be investigating boxers navels/belly buttons - but here I am. Lol. There’s not much to the average navel - if not visible, the top of the button still may well be just below the waist band and not deep into the waistband after that.

    Upon checking I’ve yet to see a navel actually visible - and that includes fighters wearing their trunks exactly where you would expect them to sit naturally.

    Refs generally indicate the line in the sand for a low blow - rightly or wrongly, most indicate the top of the waistband as that line.

    Maybe the refs should get both fighters to fold down the top of their waistbands for confirmation of the exact location of each man’s belly button - haha.

    Low blows, to be or not to be, have often and long been argued over since the dawn of MOQ boxing.

    One final thing re Usyk - if vulnerable to the body, I would think there is scope to better condition and toughen up that potential target area - unlike the quality of a chin of course.

    I’ve always felt that Olek has looked a touch soft in the abs area - and that little bit more so for this fight - perhaps an area he doesn’t attend to as much as the rest of the body.

    Of course, looks can belie - when second career Ali no longer had the visible abs he once sported - opponent Ken Norton still observed that punching Ali to the body was like punching a slab of concrete (or a similar description to that effect).

    Suffice to say, even The Belly might have a resilient six pack hiding under that beer barrel, Keg of a stomach of his. :D
     
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  14. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure Man
    im sure you’ve watched & counted the # of times you saw Usyk’s fuzzy navel play peekaboo I trust you…. Sick fucc.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Fighters who wear their shorts high like Dubois and Belly among many others are cheating. Point blank period, period.
     
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