Muhammad Ali vs Gene Tunney

Ok gramps. Have a good one.

 

Bowe v. Carnera redux?

 

In geometry, there's a saying. If you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras. But where I come from, my granddaddy says you should think horses, then paint some zebra stripes up on 'em. And one thing my granddaddy knew was boxing, I can you about that.

 

The voice of reason!

 

Such wisdom

 

Which heavyweights aside from a past it Dempsey did Tunney beat that were as good as Norton ,Young,Jones?

 

Why wasn't there an Ali-Jones rematch? Could it be because Ali had matured and dominated him in an exhibition in 1966? Jones excuse was he didn't try. Does that make sense if he wanted a rematch?

 

The story is Jones couldn't lay a glove on him in that exhibition.
Jones was trying, he wanted that pay day.

• Clay and Jones boxed a six-round exhibition in Louisville, Kentucky on October 27, 1966. UPI called it "humiliating" for Jones, who had hoped a good showing might get him a rematch with Clay, then known as Muhammad Ali and holder of the World Heavyweight Championship. UPI reported: "Clay toyed with Jones, landing his patented jab time after time. At no point did Jones land a solid punch."

 

(351) Muhammad Ali vs Doug Jones Exhibition Part 1 - YouTube

 

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I did not avoid your point; that is factually incorrect.
I compare some of the attributes of the two & described the style match up.

I cannot believe you now deploy superficial patina of patronizing decency "my friend" to say I said a whole bunch of nothing!
I have no problem if you have a deeply unpopular opinion.
How common a view is does not make it true or false-but what experts say is not a logical fallacy (to conclude is likely).
Either about Ali, OR the prospective match up with Tunney.

I believe you mixed up something about what Dundee said-that he may have continued his prime for a while OR gotten even better does not mean that his actual prime was not dazzling-& Williams was not his final fight before the Vietnam War debacle/banning.''The gap between Ali & Tunney is over 20 lbs.

And you are correct IF you specify that 20 lbs. is not automatically an advantage: I'll qualify it again, let's treat it with more intellectual rigor.
20 lbs. (There peak weights were not less than 23 lbs. apart) is meaningful IF it represents not body fat but indicated natural size & muscle-especially when linked with, or cite separately too, height & length.
Also while most believe fairly it means LESS after a certain point...
And of course it can be offset by other factors including broadly skills...

The point where you are at a REHYDRATED TYPICAL LHW, in Tunney's case only approaching 190 for any fight you label his HW peak, is NOT there.
And the difference is more dramatic when you consider that effectively LHW against a man about as lean at up to the 240's-like Lewis & the Klitchko brothers.

I am fine if you completely disagree with me & even almost all experts.
Not when you graft on a wholly false narrative about my arguments being shallow or saying nothing.
I have already been more detailed & dove deeper than you have...

And you do nt see ME saying you are essentially an idiot who is not ecven making a case.

 

Humiliation!

 

Ask him to present a case ,or answer questions and he bails! After making a gratuitous remark ,in my case calling me Gramps.