Usyk vs. Ken Norton

Usyk, yes Norton was good against boxers, specifically jabbers, but the southpaw jab is completely different and takes a completely different skill set to deal with, you need a good sense of distance on the outside and a well timed straight right hand, Norton took away fighters’s jabs by jabbing with then, but moving his head with it, you’re gonna get timed against a southpaw doing that.

 

I can see arguments which might favor either one over the other.

 

I’ve sparred with lefties before and it’s frustrating as hell.

 

Excellent post. Regarding the 2500 posts, didn't you have another account before this one? One of my favorite posters.

 

Thanks mate, much appreciated, likewise.

No, this is the only account I've ever posted under (I've been a long term lurker, so it's possible I've viewed, but not contributed, on a previous account).

 

It has only gotten worse since.

 

Norton in 9 at the latest. Usyk couldn't hold him off forever, he just doesn't have the punch.

 

The Norton who beat Ali would also beat Usyk (on points, not by knockout). Any other Norton would lose, because Usyk would surpass him in the number of shots attempted; in each round. Norton has never faced the southpaw style, which works so much. In the second half of the fight, Ken would realize that he could only win the fight by knockout, and that would be the end of him. Usyk is a master of movement and angles, and any attempt by Norton to win the fight by knockout would be punished by an even bigger points difference.

 

Lol. I noticed how many variations you “inserted” (bad choice of word?).

Your vocabulary in that regard is impressively expansive.

I probably use the term “donger” more myself - but have been known to employ “todger” (brit slang) or “tool” also - we share quite a bit of common ground in a lot of terms or at least with some slight variations.

A good example of that common ground with slight variation might be: you Brits say “Old Chap” and we say “Old Fella”. Jolly good show I say.

In other words, we more or less speaka your language - and I do hope you’ve tried our native dish, the iconic Vegemite sandwich.

Riddle me this though.

Please don’t ask how it might come to be, but for the sake of the hypothetical please humour me: -

What if I was boxing and somehow little Pug became excited or should I say abstractly engorged, pushing little Pug’s head beyond the waist band and somewhere past the navel? - that’s where little Pug reaches when he’s very angry.

What if my opponent shamelessly punches little Pug in the head. Legal or illegal?

Basically, who has crossed the “line” in this example - my opponent or little Pug himself?

Sorry to put you on the spot here Greg - but please run this scenario through your criteria and tell me what you come up with.

I trust in your meticulous analytical procedures and common sense treatment.

It certainly gives you the opportunity to invoke some more of the many and varied ding dong terminologies that are obviously at your disposal.

 

People assume that certain Heavyweights would struggle against Usyk's Southpaw stance is just that an assumption.

No one truly knows how effective the Southpaw stance would be vs certain great Heavyweights of the past, people assume because there hasn't been many Southpaw Heavyweights in the past, that they would automatically struggle alot more I don't necessarily agree with that logic.

What we do know is that Usyk has a vulnerability to body punches which Norton was very good at. We know fighters who have pressured Usyk have success, again Norton maybe not be an all out aggressive fighter. But hes very effective at putting on steady pressure and can match Usyk's stamina in a long distance fight.

 

Leave Marty Monroe alone buddy (victim of Super Greg Page via dominant 5 round stoppage).

If it happens to not be Marty, well, the likes of Swag and myself, lets just say you can run but you can't hide.

 

Haha!

In this hypothetical scenario, your bratwurst would reach above navel? Even whilst you were stood erect (pun very much intended), as opposed to led on your back? Wow, Mrs. Pugguy must be a happy woman.

I've given your question the due consideration it warrants and have revisited the multiple low blow, boxing rules sources I reviewed. There are various "definitions" as to what constitutes a low blow, none reference the Johnson. Therefore, I believe the position of the Member on the fighter being hit, is immaterial to the legality of the blow.

That's just my interpertation, though. I could be wrong. If I am, that's an unconventional defensive technique I'd not previously considered. Perhaps, given his apparent vulnerability to body shots, Usyk should consider it. Of course, he may not be as blessed as you.

 

You know me too well JT....


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....actually it's Termite Watkins.

 

A fine effort Greg, but not full marks, for missing out 'Hampton'.

 

How did i forget that