If Ali was born ten years earlier?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Being the exact same otherwise. What happens?
     
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  2. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is a much less interesting person.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably. Malcolm X and the NOI were around back then, though, but no Vietnam war.

    But just boxing wise?
     
  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He would have had more success in the ring. Louis, Moore, and Walcott were on the way down while Clay would be on the way up. I only use the word Clay because he might never have become Muhammad Ali. And in a twist of fate if he ever faces Rocky he's the young up and comer and Rocky is the older boxer.
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First, does he ho to the Olympics in 1952 or go pro before that? I'm thinking he goes pro before that, probably in 1950. But does he face Marciano, and when in that case and how does it end? And Liston? Does he stay around for Frazier?
     
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  6. Bokaj

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    And his style? He has said Robinson was his big inspiration, but he actually looked more like Pep and Pastrano, but Pastrano would be younger than him in this case and likely no source of inspiration.
     
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  7. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought he looked like Walcott.
     
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  8. ThatOne

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    The earliest his trainers would put him in the ring with Rocky is 1955 so Ali is aware of what he did to Louis, Walcott, and Moore. He isn't going to be foolish like he was when he fought Cooper.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you're right.

    And I think Cus would have waited as long as possible before he put Floyd in there with Ali, but it probably would have happened in the 50's still. So when does Liston get his shot and what happens when he does?
     
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  10. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    So I guess that would mean Muhammad Ali would have been a title challenger 10 years earlier. They would have a super fight Marciano Vs. Muhammad Ali, if Marciano hadn't retired a little earlier. Patterson and Johansson would not be champions. Muhammad Ali would certainly fight Sony Liston, but a peak version of Liston, which would be great. After Ali's reign (or the reigns of Ali and Liston) it would be Frazier's turn.
     
  11. Stevie G

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    Food for thought,definitely,Bokaj. Clay/Ali beats Rocky Marciano by decision,then stops him in a rematch. Makes succesful defences against Charles,Walcott,La Starza,Moore, Patterson et al. Does Muhammad still have a three and a half year lay off? If so he comes back,beats Patterson again. Beats Liston by late rounds stoppage to win back the title. Eventually an Ali in his middle thirties meets a young Joe Frazier whom he loses to. Ali retires for good around 1967/68.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

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    Hmmm I think it actually might add to his legacy. As without the war trouble, we’d actually see Ali hit his prime, with no exile to stop him.
     
  13. newurban99

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    Clay would be 19 in 1951 when Marciano annihilated Louis. Might he have fought Joe before Rocky? Doubt it. I think instead he builds a fine amateur record and enters the 1952 Olympics as a light heavy. Floyd Patterson is on that team; Floyd wins the middleweight gold and the two young athletes, so unlike each other in personality, become friends. Clay loses in the Olympic semi-finals to an East German. It's an unpopular decision. Now 20, Clay is faced with the question of who will manage him. The Louisville group of businessmen who signed him in 1960 aren't in the picture. Cus D'amato likes him but he insists on total control of the fighter and Clay is bothered by that. The Jim Norris organization with offices in Madison Square Garden promises it will make Clay a TV attraction. They don't yet own the Liston contract. Clay signs with them first. Pep Barone of Allentown, Pa. is his manager of record. He fights prelims most of 1953 and is beginning to step up in class in 1954. A match against Patterson is on the horizon but Cus won't allow it. He says privately that Clay is mob-controlled
     
  14. Journeyman92

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    I think he looked most like Jose Legra and Jimmy Slattery.
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    The Liston fight in this scenario is quite like Frazier in a scenario where he never was exiled. He would be in peak age, late 20's, for the fight, but might also have gotten a bit complacent.

    And if he, in this scenario, beats Liston in, say , '60 or '61, it might also be similar to beating Frazier in '68 or '69 - seen as a win over a very good contender, but not an ATG win.