Maybe Rubin Hurricane Carter isn't as innocent as believed

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Lots of sources say the movie is a complete fabrication. In the beginning of the movie, he is seen as assaulting a man with a bottle because the man was a pedophile attempting to molest a friend. The reality is that there was a bottle broken over a man's head all right, but it was to steal the man's watch and rob him.

    In the movie, Carter was depicted as clearly and convincingly beating Joey Giardello only to be robbed of the decision because of racism. Giardello would sue the producers of the movie for that depiction and Carter later admitted that Joey won the fight. The movie also depicts Carter as being one fight away from winning the world middle weight championship but by 1966, his career was on the slide.

    Carter bragged about shooting at people and commiting other acts of violence.

    Numerous witnesses in favor of Carter later admitted to lying about his whereabouts during the time of the triple murders. One witness admitted to being offered $27K (this is $27,000 in 1966 dollars by the way) to lie on Carter's behalf.

    Carolyn Kelly, a New Jersey civil rights activist went to bat for Carter, believing he had been railroaded. In return for her kindness, he severely beat the 112 pound woman and left her unconscious and curled in the fetal position inside a hotel room. This happened in 1976. The movie leaves that out. While in prison, he is said to have beaten a ******ed and developmentally disabled inmate.

    In the movie, the racist detective is depicted as sabotaging the car of the lawyers working to free Carter. The problem with this is that the scene supposedly happened in 1983. The detective died in 1979, 4 years before 1983. The detective was a World War 2 veteran who was known to be an excellent police officer and no one knew him to be racist. There's certainly no evidence of him having a vendetta against Carter because he was black.

    http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

    All of the sources are at the link above.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    When he came to the UK to fight Harry Scott,Mickey Duff carried one of his bags through customs in his hotel Carter opened the bag and produced a hand gun Duff said ,"you could get done for bringing that in," Carter ,replied," I didnt bring it in,you did". I think he was guilty.
     
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't the Candians who got the case reopened eventually come out and say - after he was freed - that they thought he probably did do it, after further investigation? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All the reports I've read about him to me hes guilty as sin.
     
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I don't know if they did but I do know several legal loopholes were exploited to free him.
     
  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    When I first saw the movie, I thought he was this saintly man who was railroaded by a racist criminal justice system because he was black. But the more I looked into the case, I realized that he probably did do it and the only things that railroaded him was his own actions and the evidence against him.
     
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  7. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Solid post and accurate. That movie was total Hollywood bull**** and Carter most likely did commit that awful crime just like all of the other crimes he commit prior.
     
  8. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    There are so many movies\shows that do this with people who are guilty, to the point where it overshadows the people who actually were railroaded by a racist justice system.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    If you put a gun to my head (no pun), I would say that he was a guilty man, who exploited the social tensions of the time to make himself look like the victim.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    We should probably consider two questions here.

    1. Would you convict Carter on the standard of criminal law, namely beyond reasonable doubt?

    2. Would you convict Carter on the standard of civil law, namely the balance of probability?
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember when Carter came onto everyone's minds again in the '70s when his book 'The 16th round' was published. I was really getting into boxing when i became aware of him and his 'plight'. He appeared on Tom Snyder's 'Tomorrow' show from Rahway. And during the interview Carter stated, "Why would I knock over a diner when I was making $100,000 a year and about to get a title shot at Dick Tiger?" It sounded plausible to me - wanting to believe the innocence of any fighter - until I consulted my Ring Record Book and saw his journeyman status with a 7-7-1 record after the Giardello fight. And I thought to myself, "No one is giving this guy a title fight!". Moreover, $100,000 sounded a bit inflated too. That was the first time doubt crept into the old noggin and after that took everything he said with a pinch of salt. Which everyone should have.
     
  12. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    About the movie which portrayed a robbery I believe it was Angelo Dundee who said Hurricane was beaten pillar to post in that fight. The same article said Rubin told numerous stories about the murders, one where he said he didn't do it but was covering for who did! Yeah right. I think he was a pretty good fighter but a psycho at heart
     
  13. Bob Dobalina

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    Which other movies and shows do that? Sounds terrible.
     
  14. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bob Dylan quietly removed Hurricane from his song list at his concerts. He likely fooled a lot of people